From Gamekeeping to Pest Control: Building a Rural Business in the Scottish Highlands | Andrew McDonald - Pest Perspectives

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So this will be about pest pest, mainly pest control and we may

mention deers and things like that.

So we've got on Andrew McDonald from Highland Pest Response.

How are you doing? Yeah, good.

Thanks yourself. I'm good.

Cheers. Nice to finally get you on.

It's come round quickly. You come back on holiday from

America, didn't you? Yeah, I was, yeah, I was away

for quite most of me to be totally honest.

And it's just been mental since coming back and playing catch

up. So and when you message the

other day saying are you still OK for next week, I was like.

Oh, sugar, he's come round fast. Just mental, mental it is.

It is so like we've pressed control.

Were you you come out of school wanting to be a pest controller

or were you, what were you? Were you a kind of kid that was

into being in the fields and in the wilderness and thing?

Yeah, so like I've always had a passion for field sports sort of

and that sort of thing, fishing and shooting and that sort of

country style way of life and stuff like that.

And I think like, as every young boy in school, like I want to be

a spaceman, I want to be a fireman, I want to be a

policeman and all that sort of thing, you know, And then

actually just like I've always brought been brought up around

the field sports sort of thing. And my father was an avid Fisher

and shooter and whatnot. So once I discovered that you

could get a job when I was young, like being a gamekeeper

and all that. And, you know, I suppose it's

ignorant in a way, but you're young.

You don't know, like you think, oh, must be the best job in the

world, you know, fishing and shooting all the time, far from

doing that all the time. But no, I I went down the path

to gamekeeping. And I think like a lot of pest

controllers as well, you know, sort of come from some form of

background of that, don't they? Yeah, they do.

I'm not in that category, but a lot of people are.

They are, yeah. But yeah, gamekeeping.

So what did you did you, do you have much gamekeeping

experience? How long did you how long did

you do that for? No, you're going to ask me about

dates here. I haven't got a clue, but like,

yeah, no, I left school at 15 and had to wait like it was sort

of coming up to the summer holidays.

Finished my exams, left school at 15 and 4th year and went to

work. Straight on to a pheasant farm

and then the day I could sign my leavers form I went back into

the school. I was meant to be back in school

and like for a month before signing it but I just never went

went back. How would you think about?

I thought you were like my age, like 40.

Oh, thanks. No, no, no, no, no.

I'm 10 years younger than that. Oh, so what's the way you said?

It's the way you said at 15? Because Because I remember my

dad and uncle and people are not my uncle.

When he was 15, he actually got a job in a factory, but then

they didn't care. But you say you're younger than

me and you got away with it 15. Yeah.

So we could leave. We can leave 16.

I think you can leave school. I mean it might have changed

now, but at the time you could leave at 16.

It's 18 and they've they've changed.

Well, they want you to go into higher education or an

apprenticeship. They tried to.

Yeah, yeah. So like there's the six years of

high school sort of thing. I left in in the 4th after my

exams. And then I was meant to go back

after the summer holidays for like a month before I could get

my leavers form signed to leave. But I just, I just never

bothered. And I went back the day, I think

it was on my birthday, and I went in and got my leavers form

signed. I think to be honest, my

teachers were they were relieved that I was gone like so, but you

know, like some of the teachers said, like they know with me not

being in class, I just got a sky of school and stuff like that.

And I don't recommend doing it, but like I would do it and I'd

go off and work on estates like for work experience and meant to

be at school and this, but they said I'm better off out there

doing that, doing something I want to do than disrupting the

rest of the class. And they're right, you know,

when you're young, though, isn't it?

It's like if you look at it from the point, like everybody

sticking at school, work hard, get a job, you know, all this

sort of stuff, and like in a trade, do all the thing and

everyone says it to you. And when you're a kid, you're

like, yeah, whatever, I want to do this.

I'm not listening to you. And, you know, it's, it's like

the same as like when you're a kid, it's like, you know,

bedtime, it's like, no, I don't want to go to bed.

I want to stay up as late as possible.

When you get to our age and stuff, you're like, I can't wait

to get to bed. You know, it's just, but there

is that, that side of it of like, yeah, I'm not going to

listen to teachers and I don't like teachers and all that sort

of stuff and everything. And finally, I'm actually with a

teacher now. So it's quite funny, but it's

but yeah, so I did that went to work in pheasant farm, went box.

I'm in levers for him. And then I did like a seasons

ghost beating and stuff like that.

Pheasant being just to gain experience on estates and

whatnot and field went find myself placement for an estate

and doing deer deer stalking. Went to college and did my

national certificate and gamekeeping and then went on to

do my higher national certificate.

But then I took a gap year for certain reasons and then went

back to do my higher national certificate place and doing

pheasants, pheasant partners and duck and a little bit of deer.

The dart worked on that estate for right now 5 or 6 years, I

can't remember five years I think worked there.

I left there, went to another one and the job was mis sold to

me majorly because they were so desperate for somebody.

I actually I took a pig to pay a cut to go and everything.

I started work on the on the Monday and the young pheasant

survived on the Tuesday. It was just like all just all go

at once. I like I say, the job was mis

sold Long story short, but I, I left there after about six weeks

and from that point I went, I didn't know what I was going to

do. Fortunately, I was fortunate I

could move home with the mother and father at the time, moved

back there temporary sort of thing and then decided at that

point to go self-employed. And I'd be lying if I said never

looked back. It has its ups and downs, you

know, but we are where we are today sort of things.

And I've, I've never looked back in a sense, but you know what I

mean. Yeah, that's that's, that's

fair. That is I just want to share a

couple of people in chat. All right, to Jason McAfee from

Ask Pest Control and also Adam Edwards.

How you doing, mate? Thanks for tuning in.

So when it comes to something interesting, because obviously

the UK has got an overpopulation of of data I believe.

Is that correct? Certain.

Places. There's places.

Without it, it's quite bad in Scotland where you are.

So there's there's a massive conflict of different opinions

on this sort of subject. So like you've got

traditionalist people and everybody is like, I'm one

person that everyone is entitled to opinion.

That's your opinion that I think it's right or wrong.

I generally that's up to you, but like you I'll you'll get no

matter what you see, if you see it from one side or the other,

you're going to you know, someone's going to give a heat

or whatever, but you know, whatever.

Like I say, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but there is

areas where there's a massive, massive overpopulation and stuff

like that. And then there is pockets

without as many and they've they've got a good manageable

level and stuff like that. People, you get the

traditionalists of traditional deer stalking and stuff like

that. The great client, they take

clients, deer stalking, they do a bit of management themselves

as well when they don't have clients and warn that, you know,

the traditional sort of deer stalker and there is a place for

it. But then we also need to look at

the other side of it, of habitat impact, animal welfare as well.

When you've got a mass herd a deer, the condition of that deal

isn't it's not as good as if you've got less, you know, like,

so they go on about this magic deer per square kilometre sort

of thing. But if you've got like, there's

some places that you like up here, especially there's they've

got this massive fenced off like forestry planting areas.

So the deer are more confined to to 1 area and the the damage on

that bit of ground is just significant because of the, you

know, they're what's the word I'm looking for?

They're they're confined to this area.

But if you took it across all, like if, if you've got somewhere

that's 10,000 acres, see, but yeah, the deer don't have access

to 2000 acres. There's going to be a lot more

damage in the 2000 acres than there is in the other eight.

But you're taking your deer per square kilometre across the

whole 10,000. So it's like it's a false figure

in a sense sometimes, but it's there's a, there is a need for

more pressure on deer management in certain areas, like I say.

But I live like we when we moved here, like I think 16 years ago

or something like that, my mother and father built this

house and you would see the odd Rd here say like every night on

my way home. Now it's try not to hit a road

here, you know, so the, the, but there wasn't a huge population,

just that there's not still a massive population.

But it's just they're now starting to get to that stage of

the need to be managed, you know, because then if not Rd

safety comes into and stuff like that, like, but how would you

feel if you owned somewhere you've got mass deer problem and

your deer were all over the road and it and it, you know, jump in

front of a car with a fat young family in it, you know what I

mean? Yeah, I've seen them come across

the road before. Luckily we weren't.

We've seen it. We've seen them coming in a

distance and you kind of you stop for a minute in case

there's more, you know. But I I've a while ago was it

last year, this year? Might have been this year.

Me and my dad's in chat, my dad, he's we've seen them in a field,

all these here and I've never seen them in the in the open.

They were in the open field. They were all across this field.

They were. I thought it was pretty cool.

I've never seen them like that. I haven't.

I don't, I don't pay like I know like the regulations and the

seasons and everything. It's all different down in like

England and Wales compared to Scotland and stuff like that.

But like, I don't know that much about like the would the way

it's done down there and stuff. But I know that there is pockets

down there where there is an absolute major problem.

Like when you've got groups of herds of followed, you're

running through places, you know, there's like 500 followed

you. It's like like really like

what's that about? But I think because there's so

much small pockets of land that's like they're on one land

owners, but ground and then 10 seconds later they're on another

one, you know, and what is that here?

Our landmark, it's a lot more like, you know, it's good

they've got across 1000 acres, not 100 acres and stuff, you

know. So it's a lot harder down there

to control them I think compared to the likes of that here.

But the carry on. No, you can't.

Be on. Sorry, no, as you can see when

you're saying about them on the road like I got a few years ago

when I I got my new track, I had it like I think I had it not

even a month, maybe a month, something like that.

And I was driving along the road 1 morning we've been out foxing

and I was driving home and a blinking red Hine came out right

in front of me. I was actually only doing

probably about 4550 mile an hour or something like that Max.

And by the time I jumped the brakes, then she just went

straight into the front of it and just the whole I had to get

a whole new front end in the front of my truck and only had a

month, you know, and ironically, actually, it was actually right

beside one of the pieces of ground that I do deer management

on. So it was like a bit a bit of

deer karma, if that makes sense, you know, but and then I just

that truck obviously got it repaired and everything.

That's fine. I just just got another one

there, another truck just in April.

And I had, well, I didn't hit the deal.

The deal hit me. I was on my way home the other

night. It jumped into the side of my

track. I was like, are you fucking

kidding me? So, yeah, but no, it's, I mean,

I love DRA, like this is the thing.

But people like, people who call like folk who do deer management

professionally and stuff like, you know, we're called contract

killers. But the proper most do you think

that the puppet needs to be educated on what can happen?

I don't think they're, I don't think they're educated.

No, they think it's about you. No, they just look at Bambi and

that's the problem. The same as like the venison

market is saturated, like it's just like we're getting a lot

more pressure, like across the UK as a whole, we'll see to put

to more deer, cow, more deer. And it's supply and demand.

So when the market's flooded, the price drops and everyone's

moaning about the price of the venison because we're getting

paid, we're getting paid pennies for it.

Like I think I don't even have any hand here, but I think the

last I was getting was for Red and Sika was I think was a 140 a

kilo or something, 1.40 a kilo, maybe 160.

And I think Rodeo was like 1.80 a kilo.

It's it's pathetic. But yeah, they're being forced

to use copper ammunition, which is like three times the price of

Lincoln. Not it's not quite three times

the price, but it's like double the price of normal lead

ammunition. Go and buy a new pick up now you

can't find a pickup that starts with any number apart from a

four down here. I mean you do get cheaper

tracks, but like the price of vehicles has increased

significantly. Oh yeah, they definitely.

Have. Yeah, the price of ammunitions

increased, the price of rifles have increased, scopes,

thermals, you know that there's all the stuff, but yet the price

of venison has gone down. Fuel, there's another thing

like, but the price of venison has gone down.

But I think from the public eye, it's Bambi.

And this is the problem. There's no, I know some of the

game dealers are trying to do a bit more promotion with it and

stuff like that. But you, it's just not out there

publicly, you know, And like nowadays there's like a lot of

this. I know one of the game dealers,

they tried to go to the local schools and try and educate the

kids from a young age where they they need to learn from, like

how many people think, especially in the bigger cities,

people walk into Tesco, Sainsbury's asked us Whatever

they think, that's where the chicken comes from, where the

state the the beef comes from. They don't realise that it's in

a field. It's true because I was watching

that, you know, Callum from Clarkson's Farm Park, Yeah, he's

got a programme on Amazon and he, he's done a tour.

But he recorded one of them and he said that he was in a shop

and he asked this lad, I think, I don't think, where do you

think that milk comes from? And he went the supermarket and

he says it broke my heart that children don't know where milk

comes from. So but.

There's no dedication for it. But he recorded the whole thing

on on the show on Amazon, so millions would have seen it on

an actual on showed them how the milk came.

And he recorded it all went through so people would know.

But he says kids, people should know.

But he says they certainly don't.

No, there's no education for it. And this is where there needs to

be more promotion in that sense of things, you know, like

educate them. But the schools wouldn't allow

the game dealer to go because because because too many of the

parents were like, oh, you're not teaching my kid that you

kill Bambi. It's like, like, you know what I

mean? It's just didn't always mean

that sort of things. But that's the world we live in

nowadays. Eh, It is it.

Is but so because I I've heard that is the government giving

I'm not saying they are the the situation's got that bad that

they're giving free funding for deer stalking.

I think you've got a hit but meet the requirements you have

SO. In England is I'm not like I'm

not that clued up and down there, but I think you can get

almost like a bounty like so some places that have got

surveys done, I don't know what the criteria is, I have no idea.

So if someone someone can jump on and who does know them,

great. But I think they can get like a

payment per head or per certain amount or something like that.

Or if they're reduced to a certain density up here,

there's, as far as I'm aware, there's nothing like that.

But there is like, so like, you know, the private estates or pay

contractors to come in or like government bodies or pay

contractors, they'll also use their own, their own contractors

and stuff. And the way a lot of that works

is you're sort of you're paid a bounty per head as the way that

is like it'd be like you've been out and doing a rabbit control

job and and being paid per rabbit, you know, it's the same,

same. We won't talk about it, but it's

like some people that think it's still £5 a mole but we're not

talking about moles. I do, but I do more control

daily, like, well, not daily, but like I do more control as

part of my pest control anyway. So I'm more than happy to talk

about that sort of things. But it's that's the thing.

And there is again, I think like even that £5 a mole, I think if

you can go on to farm and you're going to catch 1000 moles off

it. Well, if you want to do a £5 a

mole then car on because the farmer not going to pay you 1012

fifteen, £20 a mole or, you know, whatever when you're

catching high number of that. But yeah, it's like, you know,

so it's not easy. It's not easy money.

That's that's for sure. Like it's hard work.

That's that's the thing. And it's fine the same as a deer

like and you know, being paid this bounty.

That's where we just get called contract killers and that's

fine. But have a go at me for it if

you want for being a contract killer.

But if I'm not doing it, guess what?

Someone else is going to be doing it.

It's true. It's like.

If your accountant who, if your accountant doesn't do your

books, guess what, a different account, I'll do it.

Someone else will be doing it. So it's like always.

Be someone else. I will exactly like so just.

There is a lot of though, like I don't know what the word is

recreational stalkers though, you know, and they, they go out

and they shoot a handful of deer a year and stuff like that.

And that that's great, but doesn't make a dent in the

population, you know, And like if you've got like, there's a

lot of them as well that they want to shoot more and more deal

and they hate the fact they don't get the opportunity

because all the deal are getting shot around them by a contract

killer. And there is like there is a lot

of jealousy on that side of things and they've been shooting

it and stuff. And it can be it's the best

industry in the world, but it's it's it can also be like quite

don't know what the word. What's that?

Donkey Dog. Yeah, it can be, yeah.

Or like cliquey or, you know, it can be like that.

But, but there's amazing people in that world.

Like the deer management world. There's, there's amazing people

in that. Yeah, that's.

That's good to hear because you'd think though, if if the

government was offering incentives that they would start

to educate the public. But I suppose you don't want to

spend money on educating people because it won't be that

difficult to run the load of nice videos explaining why

they're causing problems and putting them over social media

or something. But I can't do that, can we?

It's common sense, yeah, allowed to use that.

No. Do you do a lot of day work at

the minute or? Not this time of year, no, I

don't personally. We still do a small amount, but

in this time of year like just go out for an evening or a

morning and stuff like that. But not a heck of a lot of this

time of year for me. But there is a lot of folks

still do a lot of this time of year.

But just me personally, I don't. It's more of my winter time sort

of thing. I don't do need as much as I

used to do. I was doing probably anything

from, I don't know anything from like 3:00 to 3:00, 4-5 hundred

year a year, something like that as we were killing.

But I don't do that now. It's just the other things have

come up and focusing more time on that.

I'd like to get more into it back and not sit back into it,

but I would like to start doing more again.

But I just, at the moment, I'm doing other stuff and trying to

juggle so much at the moment that I just don't have the time

to commit to somebody who's wanting it, you know?

Oh. That's fair enough.

You know, I know you're a busy guy.

Whenever I send you a message, you're always doing something.

You are. I know it's awful, like it's

awful. It's just trying to jiggle the.

Problem is, some people say it's a good thing to be busy.

It's a good complaint. It's my favourite thing at the

moment. Yeah, it is, it is.

And I and I, I hate turning work away and I hate letting people

down. I enjoy helping people, you

know, when somebody has a problem, if we can see if I can

solve it then great. Like I got a phone call 2 weeks

ago, I think it was about honeybee removal.

I don't do it and I'm sorry I can't help you and I hate

letting them down. That's something I would

definitely look into for the future, but at the moment I

don't do it. And I, I, to be honest, I don't

get that much request for it in a sense.

So at the moment, I mean, the more I, if I did offer it and,

and went and courses and learned how to do it properly and things

like that, then I would promote it more than that, if that makes

sense. But there's a, there's a lot of

like local beekeepers up here and stuff that do it.

So I just say try one of them. That's the best help I can give

you, unfortunately, you know. Yeah, that's fair enough, Adam

Edwards said. You would you think he's after

someone to come to Scotland? He's for.

Yeah, but when you coming Adam? Yeah, yeah.

No worries. He's always busy.

He's always busy like you, he is.

Yeah, he's he needs to jump in his pushback and get up here for

a week. And so we are, we are looking

to, we're expanded at the moment and we're looking to take

somebody on. So let's just we've been looking

for quite a while, but it's challenging.

There's challenging. I don't know what it's like.

So you've got to get the right person, yeah.

Yeah, 100%. Do you know what?

Do you know what? I'll be totally honest.

I'm probably not there. I'm, I'm a social person.

Like I like, like being social and things like that, but at the

same time, like I hate people just, it's so weird.

Like it's not that I hate people, but it's just, I don't

know how to describe it, to be totally honest.

It's like, you know, sometimes the job would be great without

customers, wouldn't it? Do you know what I mean?

But I'm probably not the easiest to get home with sometimes.

And like I have, don't get me wrong, a lot of my friends that

can help out and jobs that. So we do some bracken

management, like the weeds, you know, bracken control.

So we. Yeah.

So like with a quad bike and a roller as the method because

we're not allowed to use chemicals on this site.

So we roll it a year for it's over a period of five years.

And by the end of the fifth year, like Year 6, it should be

gone. But it'll never be completely

gone now could. You could you explain for the

podcast and me what that is? What's Bracken?

It's so a Fern is the best way to describe it.

Like it's, you know, it's a plant that grows out there,

grows. I don't know if it's bad with

you guys down there, like, you know, across the rest of the UK,

but up here in Scotland it is bad.

Like there's massive pops and it drowns out light from stuff

below, Stuff doesn't grow, you know, that sort of thing.

It's like like a rhododendron boost, you know how like they

just spread like wildfire being invasive and all that sort of

stuff. So, but you know what, actually,

I don't know. I don't know, it's Bracken

invasive or not. I don't actually know, to be

totally honest with you. It doesn't matter.

You need to work on it. It's.

Got to be, it's got yeah, it's going to be controlled and it

also helps cleaning these areas as well.

They're like sort of bigger open patches that also helps them

because the site we do the deer management on as well.

So it also helps us with that. But the region in that area, now

that we that we're rolling it's and controlling that, that

Bracken, it's made a huge difference.

Like where there's so much young regen popping through, like like

Birch regen, we're getting a lot of oak regen and stuff like that

as well. That's.

Really cool, you're keeping top of it and the bracken should die

off and not come back and it's not going to be shaded out so

that young trees can then can then spread into bigger trees

and you know, help capture carbon and all that sort of

stuff. But like at the moment we're

trying to bank now and like one of my friends, he's been helping

me out, been able to do that for me.

And whilst I've been busy with other jobs and stuff, you know,

so I've got a network of folk that, you know, I can sub stuff

too and whatnot as and when I need need help.

So it's really handy. But there is that side of, you

know, sometimes it's see letting go of the rain in a sense when

you're used to doing something yourself.

It's difficult, eh? It is if you.

If you ever find the right person to join your company, you

can have to. You can have to learn that. 100

percent, 100%. Like one of my friends, he, he

did stuff for me through like a few years back there.

He did stuff over I can't a few months he was working for me

anyway and we got on so well anyway.

It was quite easy for me to, but because I knew him, you know, it

was easier. But it's letting go of that

rains and stuff and trusting them to do that properly because

it's like if they if they mess up, it's on me.

You know, if I mess up, it's on me, but that's fine because it's

on me. You know, it's like like just as

a prime example, we've got, I've got a pigeon job to do just now

in a warehouse and there's I went back to look at it there a

couple of weeks ago. Actually, I'm just getting

around to doing it now, but nice simple job.

Pigeons in the rafters, you know, nothing's ever simple, but

you know what I mean? Then checked it out and I'm

like, Oh yeah, yeah, that's like just sort of looking up and I

was like, there's gas lines running on the.

Rafters. No, you can't shoot.

Can you not on all of them rafters?

So I mean, yes, like on the Gable lanes, there's none.

So you just got to hope that pigeons are sitting on the Gable

lanes. But it's, yeah, you know, you

take take into account your risk assessment there, how confident

you with margin of error. Yeah.

So, you know, things like that, like if that goes wrong, it's on

me sending someone else to do that.

I'll be sweating. I'll be sweating.

I'm not going to lie, I'll be sweating.

But the more you get used to somebody and somebody's, you

know, you get used to taking like you get to know each other

and know their capabilities and stuff like that, I think it

would be definitely easier. You know, it's going to be a

like, I've never like employed somebody full time before.

So it's going to be a huge learning curve for me.

Well, I think, but I think I might be wrong.

It'd. Be good, but I think to start

with you probably after person with you for a little bit.

Totally 100%. And it'll be a massive learning

curve for me as well, you know, and, but I'm looking forward to

it. I like that challenge, you know,

but we had an interesting conversation today.

I've, I've kind of gone, I've been lucky that one of the

places I worked as a gamekeeper, we were surrounded by high end

individuals will see high end in business and stuff like that.

So I've been fortunate in that sense to pick up some tips from

them. And you know, like you should

really think about X or Y, you know, sort of things.

And I never really took it on board, to be totally honest.

And when I was in the States, we were actually, we were actually

staying with one of these. They're one of these guys and I

haven't seen him. It's quite nice because I

haven't seen him for quite a while and it was nice to go over

and stay with him and Steph and we were chatting about business

and stuff like that. And you know, it's, it's there

is a big difference in working for a wage and running a

business. You know, there's, there's a big

difference in it and speaking to different folk about it and

whether they're high end or not, It's, it's so interesting, the

varied opinions and I've, I've grown too fast and it's not,

it's not a good thing. But like again, I was having a

conversation today about stuff and by probably this time next

year it could be potential, if not sooner, potential for having

another another person full time.

It's good. It's good to get different

perspectives because I recently I've had a few conversations and

and because I do want to, I do want to grow like eventually

maybe run 2 vans and into the future.

And it all stems from we're investing into a new website.

We are we're talking to a few people and and I've recently

asked been asking people for more advice and trying to take

it on board and because you're just going to be like.

Fun. Yeah.

You're just going to be like a sponge and absorber, yeah.

You have, but that's pretty cool that he went out to America and

you got some advice as well, so. No, I'm grateful for it.

That's the thing, you know, And if I continue to grow the way

things are going and and all that, like I'll forever be

grateful for that advice, you know?

But it's not till you like I can sit there and say to you like,

yeah, but you need like you're on about your website.

You need to also think about I'm just making this up, but like

local advertisement and you and you think, Oh yeah, yeah.

But it's not till you stop and actually think about it and

break it down. What's been said, You're like,

actually, you know, that that makes sense and, and whatnot.

And but yeah, it's, it's it's, I don't know how else to say.

I'm grateful for it, you know. Yeah, it's good to.

It's like I've noticed any industry, everyone's now,

because obviously I've never met you, but we talked nearly daily

through the voice notes. Same with Adam.

I can see you, Adam. He said that he, he, one of his

terriers used to be called Bracken.

That's what he that's what he's just.

But but yeah, but we all talk and we all ask each other

through voice or whatever. And there's a lot of people with

a lot, lot more experience than us as well.

Like some of the advice I've got for people who are a lot more

experienced than me because, because I'm learning it all,

because obviously one day I will take the firm over and it's,

it's all learning knowledge. It is just trying to trying to

learn how to get more, say more commercial contracts and things

like that. I've been asking for advice and

it's quite good advice. A lot of it is.

To be fair. Oh it's good it is.

Every day is a learning day. Every day is a learning day.

Like asking advice. Like people.

Some people are too proud to ask for help or advice and stuff

like that. I generally don't care if I look

like an idiot asking a question. I don't care as long as I get

the answer that I'm looking for, you know, like I might ask, I

don't know, I'm just going to make this up.

But like, how do you, how do you treat a wasp's nest or

something? And that might be something

like, you know, a lot of people that and go, what, what are you

talking about? I've never dealt with it.

So I know I do do them and I do know I would do it, but I'm just

saying for an example, But it's just I don't care if I look like

an idiot. I want to learn.

I want to know, you know, it's like, well, just when you're

saying about Adam, they're like, I asked Adam about something

yesterday and I was like, I've never used it.

I have no idea. Can you explain how that works?

You know, because I, because I didn't know.

I'm never afraid because it's like, I think that's a good

thing. Sorry.

Go on. Carry on, carry on.

Sorry, Sorry, I was. Just going to say I think that's

a good thing with like the pest control industry.

Like there is, there is such a tight knit community there.

So like there's a lot of people who are happy to help and they

want to see you do well and succeed and learn and all that

sort of stuff. Don't get me wrong.

There is also the little part of like within the community that

are like dead against it. Don't want to see, you know what

I mean? They want everything for

themselves and there is that side of it.

But that's like every industry, you know, it's, but I do think

like, I know we're not really talking about UK baton supplies

here. But like I was saying to you

earlier on today, the friends I've made within the industry

with the new Cape Town supplies, they're lifelong friends.

I've never met them in person. But again, we speak daily and

all this sort of stuff and it's, it's amazing.

And every one of them wants to see you do well.

It's good because I think there's a, there's a change of

over the past couple of years, there's there's been a change

because in the groups, not saying which ones, but when you

used to ask questions, people used to laugh and say you should

know. But some of these groups like to

get help and advice. And I've noticed that people

don't really take the Mickey anymore.

And if they do, people go, well, hang on.

Because there's certain, like I can't remember, it was ages ago

and I think I was in, I don't know what group I was in.

I put this is an educational group.

What are you laughing at? Or, or it's to get different

because obviously with the change of the garden, how we do

Moss tests with chemicals, etcetera.

There's a lot, tonnes of chemicals.

There is, there's you, there's the, there's all sorts, there's

all sorts. So if you've never used them,

you're asking from advice. And yeah, and you can try.

You'll learn like it's all very well doing like I, I stand by

this and it it might be wrong, but I stand by it and I'll

always stand by this. You can read as many books as

you want. You can watch as many podcasters

as you want. You can do as many training

courses as you want, but you will never learn as much until

you make the mistakes making them and and being on the job.

That's how you learn the most. Like I can read.

I've got first aid course next week coming up, right.

And I can tell you right now, I've been doing them for years

and I I get it. But every every couple of years

it changes. You know, like one year it's

like don't give chess compressions.

Next year's no, no, give chess compressions, but don't give no,

you know, they change all the time.

But I walk out of there like I walk out of that first aid

course and I'm like, what the fuck did I just learn?

Even even though you've done it, when you if you ever have to do

it, you'll be like it'll come back shit on the real person.

It'll come back like I've I've had to do not CPR in him, but

I've had to do like pretty like emergency first aid, we'll call

it on, on someone. And it just came flooding back

like that, you know, and I'm just like, it was to do with a

knife wound is what it was. But it was just like the way it

was, it was like, oh shit, you know, like we need to get this

dressed up and stuff. And it's like, you think it's

not hard to tie a bandage, don't get me wrong.

But it comes flooding back to you when you when you go to use

it, you know, it's the same as if you think to like, I haven't

done. I'm trying to think of saying I

haven't done for a long, long time that I don't actually know.

I'm just trying to think of sound there.

But you get what I mean. Like the point of it comes

flooding back to you But when you leave that room.

It's out your brain, you know, and when you're on the job,

that's when you learn. It's trial and error.

It's true. It's like when you do your

courses, it's like like your RSPH, level 2 warding, pest

management or all the basics. Can you remember every single

thing that was in that? My, you know, I was doing it

though My brain melted. I wrote it all down, don't get

me wrong, but getting it to stick is is different.

Yeah, 100%. But but yeah, I've got I've

still got all my notes. Now I if you ever need need to

go back and look but another. Thing it's, you know, you when

you don't use something as well, you lose it.

I'm a great believer in that. So you say what?

With that level RSPH course, it did the Level 2 pest award in

Pest Management award a better because there's a lot of yeah,

yeah, yeah thing about it. It got I obviously I passed my

rodents first time, but I failed invertebrates under health and

safety by only a few points. But what cocked me up was it was

cockroaches. I don't do them.

I was on how to learn it all, but it didn't stick.

But next time round it stuck because I'd learned.

I'd come back and learnt that much.

I don't. I've never done them before and

still to this day we haven't got a job for them.

Imagine we don't get them. No.

I'd like, I'm not saying you don't get them.

Maybe you do. I don't know.

I've never had a call for it. I I, I've sorry, I don't know.

I'm there. I think you do deep in the

cities, but we don't work deep in the cities.

We don't. Yeah, we're, we're so rural in

the Highlands, even a city like, well, Inverness is the big, the

closest city to me. And even then, it's like that

town to you guys, I mean. I live in the smallest county in

in in England, but Rutland is probably bigger than where you

are. It is.

Like I think southern, like I'm in rush, rush hour, but like

Sutherland up from us, it's the I think it's the biggest county

in the UK if I remember right, or maybe Scotland, I can't

remember. But it's the biggest count with

the smallest population. It's it's like it's mental, but

it's, if you look at the map from north of Inverness, say

like the first, it's a splab you've got like Inverness Shire

and whatnot, and then you feel like Ross and then you go settle

in Caithness is a little bit of the top, but it's like I say,

maybe in Inverness you get cockroaches.

I have no idea. I don't know.

I've never had a phone call for them or I've never heard anyone

talking about them. So I don't know.

It's the same as like, like bedbugs.

I don't touch bedbugs. I have no interest in doing it.

I have no interest at all in doing it.

I've never done it. I haven't got a clue.

Wouldn't know where to start. If you put me in a room of

bedbugs and said, I mean, I know what they look like.

But if you put me in a room with bedbugs and said treat that, I'd

be like, I mean, I'd give it a go.

But whether it would be right or probably, I can guarantee it

probably wouldn't be right. But when you don't, you know.

Oh, that's fair enough. Jason's just put I learn better

from acutely doing the job more than sitting in the classroom.

Yeah, a lot, 100%. So basically most, most people

are more practical. Yeah, I am.

Like when it. Comes to when you put an exam in

front of them. It's different.

It's like that's what I had to go back a second time to do my

invertebrates and health and safety regulations.

Second time I did it second time round, but it wasn't far off

first time. It's annoying when you've got,

you know, like a few points off and like, can you just give me?

My my driving test I had to do like when you do your your

theory driving test, I feel that like as you get the multiple

choice and the hazard perception.

I failed my multiple choice the first time by 1 mark but passed

the hazard perception so I went from the reset and the second

time I failed the hazard perception by one point and

passed them all. For today I might see what's

that. Sorry.

I I passed that first time but literally I got on the dot

numbers so I. Got 1.

Less I would have failed the same like I'd say it's pot look

more than anything. My third time, when I passed it,

I just just passed it, but like the driving side, no problem at

all. Like the practical side of it,

you know, like I'm openly admit I am thick as shit when it comes

to like that type of thing, like technology.

I don't will laugh at that one casino, so I'm on about there,

but regularly say that to each other.

But like we, I'm thick as shit when it comes to that type of

things and like academic side of things and like like I'm fine on

like QuickBooks or something like that to an extent.

I can't do any technical technical on it, but I can do my

invoicing and all that sort of stuff and I can use a computer.

I can type, but doing paperwork side of things and like, you

know, exams and paper and write into that.

I'm, I'm bad with it. Yeah, like I'm really bad with

it. And like, like I was saying to

you, I'm like, oh, can we just check this, this link works

instead? You know, I'm just, I'm not.

That's. Why I picked, that's why I

picked this, because it's far easy.

You don't have to make an account.

You click, put your name in and you're in.

Yeah. Make it easy for people.

You got to make it easy for people to come, for people to

come on the show. No A. 100% but that's like I'm a

great believer in the in the in the scene of work smart or not

harder, like why make your life more difficult than it needs to

be? You know, it's like I was

getting sick, like doing report pads say for like contracts and

stuff. I was getting so like my

handwriting is like a flipping 3 year olds.

Like honestly, it's like I'm trying to find something I've

got written down here. You don't.

You don't need to shame me, you're all right.

But it's, it's terrible. But like on the writing, on the

reports and stuff, I'm like, oh, you know, so I ended up like a

couple of years ago, I was like, right, sit down and turn it into

a tick box. So like design my own report.

Like for myself, I made everything like a tick box.

So like site cheques, tick beatbox refreshed or you know,

service tech, you know, search for a tick beatbox, topped up

tick, insect pods, tick, you know, I just tried to make

everything a tick box like, and then like your product that

you've used, you know, so whatever it may be, you just

write your product name in and then it will be your, your

active ingredient tick and all that sort of stuff.

So there is, there is still a writing part there for comments

and stuff like that, but it saves so much time.

You know, it's I'm looking at, I'm, I'm looking and thinking of

going to the digital version. I'll be honest, I was thinking

about to say that I think digital will make it so much

easier for you. It would because also you can

these tablets if it gets used to your voice, you can't actually

talk and it will type it in for you so you can.

Do that as well. I do have my Google Maps all the

time when I'm driving about because like, yeah, no, that's

the thing. I mean it's great when the like

sometimes my missus, she'll come out with me for the day and

stuff like that. If she's like a weekend, if I'm

working or like in school holidays and stuff, you know,

and she's I call it my PA. Like it's brilliant.

She's just my PA and does like here you go.

I'll tell you what to write. You write it.

You know, at least I'm like a customer.

Sometimes they'll be like, Oh yeah, you had yourself with you

at the weekend and you're like, yeah, how do you know?

Because I can read your report. Yeah.

Or like things like on the computer and whatnot.

I'm like, how did you do this? And she's like, give me the

thing, you know, and she'll, she'll do it.

And it's it's, it's handy like you know, but definitely works

harder, not harder. That's good to hear.

And somebody missed your message.

Jenny, thanks for thanks for popping on.

She's from America Passenger and podcast.

OK. I've been on that one but but

earlier on I missed this message.

And he's right because we're all about messaging each other.

It's a lonely game at times. It's important to engage in my

humble opinion, I think. That's obviously I'm.

Not as I'm not as lonely as ever because I do work with my dad,

but a lot of people are. They are so.

I was so like, actually like, I'll probably get some hate for

this, but I'm actually a seasonal water bailiff as well.

So we don't have night times like throughout the night

patrolling rivers and stuff, looking for poachers and stuff

like that, you know, protecting salmon and all that sort of

thing. But we'll not get into that

much. But again, I was saying into the

head bailiff the other day, like it's a lonely job.

Like I know there's this big thing just now.

Well, not just now, and that's actually really bad to say.

But like there's this, you know, there's a lot more out there to

do with mental health and stuff like that nowadays, you know,

and a lot more aware and you know, it's a big thing and

everything. And you could, if you actually

stop and think about it, like, or you're out there driving

about by yourself listening to blinking Spotify or listening to

the same old radio station, you know, it did.

It does get lonely like, you know, but I'm, I'm always

messaging somebody or something like that or replying to an

e-mail or something that's just real bad.

But having the chats like, you know, I was chatting, me and

Adam mean like loads of other folk.

And it's definitely good because it's that social aspect of it,

you know, and we're all bouncing ideas off of each other and all

that sort of stuff, you know, and there's so many people,

again, like I say, this industry, there's so many people

that I've made friends with that I, I know I could pick up the

phone at any point. And if I ever felt I needed to,

to have a chat like an proper, like, because I'm feeling for

whatever. Or, you know, I'm a bit old

school in that sense. I'm like, you know, life's tough

with a helmet, like, and it's probably wrong, should be a bit

more sensitive, but it's just the way I am.

But like, if I needed to, there's several people I know I

could pick up the phone and phone, you know, and, and it's

nice. It's nice to have that, that

behind you. And the same as there's people

out there that if they ever need to chat, phone and they know

they can phone me, you know? If I may, if you want, it's

fine. I, I I.

I may not answer, but I'll get back to you, yeah.

Busy man send send you a voice note and you will.

Yeah, it's like today I was, I was playing phone ping pong

today. Like missing calls, phone and

back. They'd missed them.

They'd missed me just like, oh, that's.

Fair. So do you do a lot of rodent,

rodent control, mice control, do you do a lot of that?

Do you? Yeah, Yeah, we do a lot of that.

We do a lot of agricultural stuff as well, sort of dealing

with rats, mice, Wasps, smalls, rabbits, foxes, deer, corvets as

well, pigeons and that's that's what I mean, you get a lot, do

you? Get a lot of bird work then.

No, I don't for certain things like lamb and time will do like

hoodie, crew caddy and crew control sort of things for

farms, unlike if there's crops getting hammered, you know as

well for crop protection, we will do stuff there and ask for

bird work to do with like pigeons and stuff like that.

For buildings and stuff. No, I don't own gull work and

stuff, but I don't push it. I don't advertise it.

I, I will. There is some customers I'll do

bird work for, but very, very limited and like I wouldn't

take, I wouldn't dig on a big proofing job or anything like

that. You know, I'd find I would, I

would. If one of these places wanted it

done, we'd certainly organise it and deal with another company to

do the works and subcontract to them.

There's no problem at all. But we're getting asked more and

more for it. And yeah, there was a

conversation I had to do, like I say, and next year might look a

lot different in terms of that sort of thing.

But it's, yeah, you're going to keep evolving and thinking of

new ideas and yeah. You got it.

You just got it. But yeah, no, we don't generally

do bird work at all. It's not our thing, but it's

it's on our website. It won't be.

It won't be on our new website. It won't be.

It won't be would you do that if someone for pigeons in a shed or

something like that, would you do that or?

Trying to open the shed, but yeah, we, we don't really do

things like that. We don't however there.

Is a demand point. We don't really get the calls

for it. We don't.

But when we when we do, we, we've got other pest controllers

in the area and we, we recommend them because they use, there's

one specific one that does do bird work and we pass it over to

him. James, Pastor Dean is a nice

guy. Yeah, that's what camera.

There we go. See this, this is the thing like

it's it's nice to have that network that you can pass stuff

to like, you know what I mean there's.

You know you don't like the B work.

We pass B removables to Elliot for me and pest control.

He's like Leicester, but we pass a lot of work to win.

Yeah, because he because he does it.

He knows what he's doing. He does so.

And it's good that and you know, like I like that with folk, you

know, and it works both ways. You pass stuff to them, they'll

pass stuff to you. It's and you know, and it's good

and it should work like that. And that's like, I've go there,

I'm not going to go into this for too much detail, but like

there's stuff that I've got somebody else that they're

doing, stuff I've passed to them.

They phoned me about stuff up here and that's great.

And I have done like trying to sub stuff to other folk and

they've done that and they tried to stab me in the back.

So now I'm like, Nah, bugger, you like, you know, no, I can't

be honest. I can't annoy me.

I just can't be bothered with it like so I'd just rather not take

the work on. You know, it's the old school

way of thinking, but that's. The.

Way it is, isn't. It you know exactly.

You're rodent control. Do you do any?

Because obviously you're into the shooting.

Do you do any shoots with with running?

Do you do? Yeah, I do not, not a mass

amount of it, but we do do it. One of the sites, the waste

site. So we try and get in there as

much as we can, as much as they'll allow us.

And we're always, it's management.

It's not, you're never going to eradicate it.

It's management, you know, and, and it's, yeah, we do that

there. And then there's some farms as

well. What it's it's the best option

for us like? You talk farmer.

OK. Can you talk farmer?

Do you get on well with the farmers?

Can you talk farmer? Yeah, I can't.

It's hard to get on with them. It's you've got to be, they

don't trust you. You've got to be that way.

Like coming from gamekeeper world you'll be fine, but when

you're outside that world it's a little bit hard.

It's it can be clicky like it can be clicky department

industry, but the farming industry up here is really good

like, and everyone helps everyone supports everyone and

stuff. It's the Highlands is a massive

place, but it's such a small place.

Everybody knows everybody. Like, you can't, like, you can't

fart up here without someone 50 miles away knowing about it.

Like, you know, it's like, yeah, it is absolutely ridiculous,

like, and how big an area is, but everybody knows everybody,

Yeah. No, it's it just sound sound

sound like a big area. It's probably because I

Brooklyn's probably my home of towns probably got well where I

live. Population over 40 / 40,000.

Yeah. So like I don't know what the

population is in the village we're in here, but like the 10

miles away is like the closest town with a supermarket and

things. You know what I grew up, what I

grew up in teen and it's I think it's populations probably like 5

or 6000, something like that. Oh, so Rutland, kind of.

It's bigger. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, and there's nothing up here like I'm just actually

having a look at this to see what the population of like

Inverness is our biggest city. I can't believe what Adam's just

said. Talk farmer.

Talk to the farmer's daughter. That gets you in trouble too

though. So in 2021 Inverness had a

population of 82,383 and that's that's the closest city.

So we are we are smaller then we are smaller.

Yeah, but that's a city like, Oh yeah, that's.

Usually it's usually about a million for a city.

There's only like more. I can't remember it was the

population of Scotland, like 7 million or 9 million or

something like that. That's the population of the

whole of Scotland. Like it's tiny.

There's more people in London than there is in the whole of

Scotland. Well, that place is too busy.

Yeah. I've been there.

It's fine, but it's, it's busy. It's Have you ever been there?

Yeah, I was down there in February.

It's hot, isn't it? It's just calming, yeah.

It's pollution levels, yeah. I noticed this time it wasn't as

bad, but like a few years ago when I was last there before

then you go into like the hotel at night and you take like a

like a face wipe, you know, a baby wipe or whatever.

You go like that and it was just like black with like pollution

and dirt and soot, you know? It wasn't as bad.

I've got a couple of mates that live there.

I've got a couple of mates that live there and I asked him what

what's going on. It's so sticky.

I said it's the humidity. He says no mate, it's the

humidity. But it's the since COVID he says

the pollution levels have gone up and he said that that's what

you're feeling, it's the humidity mixed with the

pollution. But he says it feels like it's

sticky. Yeah, I remember driving to like

I was a Gatwick. We were driving, I wasn't

driving like we were getting a taxi or an Uber or whatever.

It was out to the airport and you're as you're driving, you

can just see this like haze and it's just like, yeah, not for

me. It's too busy.

I'd I get like, I get, I get blinking annoyed when the things

are too bit, like everyone else is too busy for me.

I'm a weirdo like that. But it's yeah, like people

walking. But round here, you walk down

the the street, like the High Street and T and say, and even

if you don't know the person, when you're walking past

someone, if you make eye contact, you'd be like, how's it

going? All right, You know, even if you

don't know them. It's just the mannerism of the

Highlands, you know. Oh.

No, it's, it's a good thing. It's, it's what used to happen

in the old days. It's like around there, not

everyone would speak to you because they've got Airpods in,

but a lot of the old people with like elderly people, if you say

morning, they're always say morning back to you and they're

like. Very.

Well, yeah, that's nice. That's still exists at your end.

Where? I live, it's fine, but I can

imagine. We're still behind the times.

I would say yeah, you probably, yeah, probably are, maybe, but

but yeah, what else was I going to say?

Do you? Do you do a lot of rodent

proofing jobs? Minor, minor proofing, not major

proofing. It depends on the situation, you

know, like I don't go gang hole with it and stuff like that.

I'll maybe recommend something needs done and then if the

customer wants it done, then we can look at it.

But half the time they they don't they're not interested.

They're like, I'll just call you again when the problem comes

back. And it's like, well, why not get

rid of this problem, you know, once and for all type thing.

But they just. Yeah, No, no.

It's like when you tell them that you need to get a drain

survey and that they don't. It's hard though when you get

the recommendation and it's not something we offer, but we we

say you have to get someone else to do it.

But yeah. Same, same here.

But it's like I've got to the point now of like, I know it's

been talked about in a few podcasts and stuff about like

recommendations on treatment reports and stuff like that.

When do you, like, at what point do you just stop writing it?

I don't, I just write it like now I'm like, I've recommended

it. I've spoken to you about it,

I've spoken to management about it or whatever.

You're not going to do it. That's your problem.

It's not on you. It's, it's not on me.

So it's on you. Like I'm just like pay your

bill, you know, like I'm at that point and I won't quite like

just. Yeah, you could.

You're as well speaking to Brick wall sometimes, you know?

Yeah, you are. Correct.

I know exactly what you mean, especially with certain monthly

contracts sometimes. I'm not saying it any in

particular, I'm just saying a lot of you don't, a lot of

customers don't always want to spend that.

So even though it's not that, it's not that much, a lot of the

time we're not. You don't even charge much on

top. It's not that much.

But it is willingness though, isn't it?

Everyone experiences that in the in the industry.

Yeah, no, like I say, we'll do minor proofing and stuff like

that, like on a job, but not yeah.

We do. We only do minor and we don't do

the big proofing. We don't.

No, no, it's something I would like to get more into to be

totally honest or have the option to offer as well like you

know, so it's something you could actually upsell as well,

you know, like on top of services and stuff like that.

But right now I don't have the the capacity or the time for it.

Yeah, I know. I mean, it's obviously.

Some of the future, but. 100%. But we might look into it more

in the future. Just we've got a lot of things

trying to do at the minute. But we do obviously when we do

people's air bricks, we do a lot of that.

We do the air vents. We do that.

But it's, yeah, you've got to be good at selling as well.

You've got to be good at talking.

You have, you know, how to how to word it as well.

Yeah, 100%. I've learned all that as well.

I am. Fear factor, yeah.

I've actually done, I'll tell you what was fear factor when I

knocked on a few doors in commercial places and asked them

about pass. Call call them.

Yeah, they were all nice. None of them rang me back, but I

did it. Yeah, it was quite scary, but

everyone was nice. Yeah, I remember start when I

started out, like I remember just like going round and like I

would wait for somewhere to form me and everything.

I'm like, this isn't working, you know, And like I would go to

like a restaurant or something. And I remember asking them the

first time and I was like, just like a like a mess like, you

know, and everything. Now I'm like, no, I'm fortunate

right now, but I need to like thinking forward.

I can't be like this. But right now I'm like, I'm

fortunate. I don't need to take it on.

So like when I get a call for something like that, I'm like,

look, guy, I'd be struggling to fit you in literally because I'm

busy at the moment unfortunately.

But we can certainly come around and price it for you, you know,

give you a shout and sort of thing.

So we'll go around price and whatnot.

And I'm like, that's the price there per month or whatever or

like one off, you know, whatever the job is.

And before I was used to like be a busy fool.

When I first started, I had to take everything I could.

Like, I literally I had nothing when I started.

Like I'll never forget like what I started with.

And I literally, yeah, to where I am now and where we're what

I'm wanting to go. I'm going to be, I'm still a

long way off where I want to be. And I'm a bit behind what I want

to be. And I've had some setbacks,

don't get me wrong. But I'm quite proud of myself

for what I've done. And like, you know, it's hard to

build from nothing, if that makes sense.

Like if you had sort of carry on.

I mean, I mean, obviously I'm going off what you're saying

because obviously, you know, I joined my dad, my dad did all

that. He built the business up.

So he told me it took him six months to get his first call.

But got to remember that he he didn't go full time.

He was doing it as a side job to start with, to build up before

we left his job. So.

But yeah. I think a lot of people who

start doing that as well on the side and everything that's,

that's kind of the way to do it because you, you have to build

up that reputation. You have to build up that client

base, you know, and all that sort of stuff.

I had no option. Like I, I well, I mean, I did

have options. That's lies.

I had options to go and get a job, another job and stuff, but

I was like, I'm done. I'm done working for people.

Like management just pissed me off a like not the problem.

Like it's not not all management, but obviously, but

like, you know, the places I've worked management are always

right. And it's like off you, you don't

know like if you're a. Lot of them don't.

A lot of them don't know, and I think they all think they do.

Just like they're. Not trained.

They don't speak to you, right? I, I worked in a terrible place

for over 16 years. I stupidly stayed there when I

was 19 and then and I left there, I went with my dad.

But it's, you know, tox is playing called tox.

You know where they shout at you, things like that.

Probably old school. Yeah.

I learned. I learned a lot there.

But yeah. You know what though?

Like it's probably opened your eyes.

Like there was probably, although you're getting shouted

at and stuff, there's probably times when it actually helped

you been shouted out and whatnot, you know, like, but I

when I was gamekeeping and on shoot days, we'd have the line

of beaters. Oh man, honestly, I was horribly

like, I'll admit I was I'd go through them like the dose of

the shit, but I'd sit down beside them at lunchtime and

have the have lunch with them and get the crack.

And then the next day, like 10 minutes later was forgotten

about. It was like just at that point,

because I was like so stressed about stuff, you know?

But like when you like management though as well, when

they've got a little bit of knowledge of every department in

a business, say they think they're a fucking expert on

everything and it's just like, no.

Or like when someone's just came in and a new boss and they've

got a little bit of power and they think they're Mr High and

Mighty. Power happy, power happy.

But it it's like, you know, and again, like I me taking someone

on right and then becoming a boss as a sense like that, the

whoever I take on, they're only put like 50% of what I put in if

I'm lucky, you know, it's like they don't care.

But people like, I find a lot of like management bosses, whatever

owners, whatever they they expect so much from their staff

and it's like, well, hold on a minute.

Are you paying them the same as your paying yourself or your

manager? So why, why, why the fuck would

they do so much? You know, it's just like, yeah,

I know. But like this little power trips

and like, you know, it's like if you worked for, I'm just going

to say a hotel because it's simple to sort of use.

But there's loads of different departments within a hotel.

And you've got a general manager who knows a little bit about

HRA, little bit about front house, a little bit about the

kitchen, a little bit about this.

But he's an expert in it all. And you're like, no, you're not

actually listen to the people who are doing that job.

Like listen to the people who you know, are on the ground,

boots on the ground, doing that job.

Listen to them, seek advice from them.

They will respect you more as well.

You know, it's just, but I got sick fed up of it.

So like I say, when I started, I had no choice but lucky.

I could have got another job or gone and work anywhere else or

got a random day job, whatever. But I wasn't, I wasn't not that

type of person anymore. And I was just at that point and

I was like, I have to succeed and I had failures and

everything. But you, the best thing that I

was told, and it's so true and it still stays with me today, is

when you make a mistake and feel, feel fast and move on as

well. If you don't learn from it,

you've made the wrong mistake. You've not made, you've not made

it properly, you've not made the mistake properly.

And don't be afraid to take the risk as well.

And it's so easy for you to sit and say because Oh yeah, it's

worked out for you and all that, to take that risk.

I shit myself every time still to this day when I take a risk,

especially like when it involves like big financial risks.

But oh, I do, I do. It's like, well, I'm not going

to talk too much about it, but we're doing a bit of stuff for

UK tank supplies just now that's it's costly, we'll see, very

costly. And I'm like, shit, I don't even

know if this we're doing new product development basically,

but I don't know if it's going to sell.

You know, I've invested a lot of money into this, but if you

don't try. Well, exactly.

Yeah, that's, yeah, that's you are right.

Risk, Risk versus risk and reward.

It can pay off It can. Yeah, it can, but it can hurt.

It can really hurt, you know, and it's, it's things like that.

But I mean, I wouldn't go being stupid with it, you know, like

don't if you can't afford to lose what you're going to risk

regardless, whether it be a staff member, money, a vehicle,

you know, don't, don't risk it. You know, if you can't afford to

lose it, don't risk it. There's some great advice in

there, I tell you. There's some really great advice

for people that are listening. But again, it's it's see, I like

you think it's a lot of it's common sense though, you know,

like if you think about your van, right, if you're, if

there's a flood and there's a big paddle, but you need to get

to that house and you've just watched a car drive through and

disappear in this big puddle, are you going to risk it?

No, we turn around. Exactly.

But if you know but. What made me laugh was one of

them was a was a Range Rover and he got stuck.

But we're Range Rovers. You're supposed to press the

button and they go upwards. This person will obviously know

how to use it. You know, but if you, if you

could afford to risk that van and it means that you get there

an hour earlier where you're going or whatever.

And if you just sat to the side of where the other vehicle went

and you know, you could get past take the risk.

You know, if you can afford to lose that vehicle, but if you

can't go do it. But you know, it's you look at,

I don't know if this happens we use down there or not at all.

But like, was that a job today? And I phoned the customer and I

said to them like I was, I was actually in the area.

I said I can get around and we'll get a look at this, you

know, And he's like, oh, I'm not, I'm not at home.

And I was like, all right, OK, but the house is open.

He says I've got a Ring doorbell.

So just just car on. It happens all the time up here.

But I'm like, right. It's horrible though, because

I'm like, yeah, no problem at all, as long as you're happy for

me to enter the property. And I always get them to text me

at saying they're happy and they give me permission to enter the

property. And what I do is without them

being there. And what I do is I text them

when I'm entering the property and I text them when I leave.

And I always, I make, I make sure I put the address in it.

So if they haven't said I give you permission to enter #3 Park

Lane or something like that without my permission, then I

always say I'm entering your property right now at #3 Park

Lane, you know, And then I messaged when I've left your

property. So it covers me if anything,

because I've had, I've had it happen when it, I've had it

happen. And they say, oh, you stole, you

stole from me, you know, and all this shit.

And I'm like, no, here honestly. Like, so I was like, yeah, so I

don't like doing it. People don't realise though,

like you're a business owner, what damage nicking can do and

you wouldn't put, you wouldn't, you wouldn't do that.

It's more than you know. It's it's reputation.

Like is that someone just trying to get a free job out of you?

So that was for that, no. So but like what I was going to

sort of get into with it is it's a risk if you don't feel you

know what I mean, but I take that risk as well.

But that I've had it twice when I've been accused of stealing

and you'll laugh at these, but there was for a local authority.

I was doing the job and they said I can go in without them

being there. They text me and everyone that

was fine. I went in into the house to the

job. That was fine.

Later on that night, I got a message from them saying like

you've you fucking thief. And I was like, what?

So it's like phoning them, they wouldn't answer and everything

the next day at the local authority on the phone to me,

like, oh, you know, they've been, they've accused you of

stealing. And the twice has happened to me

and, and you know, the 2 * 1 time it was like it's a 37 pence

or something like that. That's what I got accused of

stealing. It's just like honestly.

But they have to follow up for the paper trail, you know, which

is fine. I have no problem with it.

But I was like, go on, I'll give them 50 pence.

Like, you know, just do one. And the second time I got

accused of, you'll laugh at this one.

A fucking hair dryer. Really.

You got no hair like me? Exactly.

I was just, I was supposed to do your hair.

Yeah, yeah, she was. She was after a new hair dryer.

Like I'm trying to get it off like claim off the local

authority, you know, and I'm like, you've picked the wrong

lie there. Like, you know, but like I was a

bit standoffish doing it again, you know, but then I'm like, I

bugged it. Like I just, I take that, you

know, it's on me at the end of the day.

That's. Fair enough.

That is. But yeah, it's, I've only ever

done it one-on-one job. And it was like the guy didn't

tell us. He's like not obviously I'm not

saying where it is, but he leaves side door ajar some

place. So I'm like, hello, hello, pest

control. No one's there.

I went back to the van, but there's nobody there but the

doors open. So he says don't go in because

he hasn't given us, he doesn't give us permission.

So he checked. Oh, I'm so sorry.

I left the door so you could go in.

Oh, I do it all the time. I'm like, well, you didn't say

that. Yeah, but now you know, you

know, it's, it's one of them. Me.

Well, well, I finished that job now.

It's a long, long while ago, but I've never experienced it

before. I haven't.

Yeah, that's the thing. It's up here again.

Like I say, everybody knows everybody up here.

I mean, it's getting worse up here like for like theft wise

and stuff like that. Yeah, it's you know, it's

getting worse, but it's it's quite good that there's still

that close knit community that keep an eye on everything, you

know. Yeah, that's good though.

It's handy because it means you can get the jobs done and not

have to go back and forth all the time It.

Can it can be annoying when the we don't actually give like like

set-top like we'll just say it's approximated and we send a

message when we're on the way because we've got a digital

system now and we says every message says this is a time, but

it's approximate in the amount of people don't read that this

is a rough approximated time. Oh, you said you were coming

then. No, I didn't.

You read it. It said approximated.

I'll organise jobs like say I phoned today for tomorrow or the

next day or whatever, you know, sort of thing.

But I was just saying I'll be with you sometime between and I

hate, this is the thing I hate. You know when you get it,

you've, you've got a delivery that you have to wait in for or

something, right? And then you get the text

message like so and so how's your parcel?

They'll be with you between 8:00 AM and 7:00 PM.

You're like, like, you know you, it drives me insane, but I do do

it sometimes. But like I'll be like, I'll be

with you like tomorrow sometime between like 11 and one or

something, you know, I'll give them a smaller time slot as I

can because you never know what's going to happen at that

job. So I always try and give my

time, give myself time. Sorry to allow for delays and

stuff, you know, but frequently it doesn't happen.

And then like the last job I did today I was running late for and

I text them saying look, I'm on my way.

I've been held up, I'm really sorry.

And I was like, I'll be 1520 minutes late or something.

And they were fine because they were home for the night anyway.

But it's just that, you know, time slot like saying I'll be

there at 12, but if you get stuck behind a lorry and then.

I go. I'll be there about 12:00-ish.

She's my favourite. Word I put we're on the way

because some there's some jobs we have where there's a train

line basically, and once this bloody train line goes down, it

can be 1020 thirty minutes. It can so but but that's more

towards the West. Deep inside there's like a train

line that it's like it's a massive 1.

But then, but generally I tell the people, but obviously it

depends on if the train line, if we make it past the train line,

so. No, it's a little weird, you

know what I mean? That's the thing.

It's like this, like when you're saying ish, that's my favourite

word. It's like.

When I always use it but. It's depends.

I always use it. Oh, you don't always sort of

ethics. You always use it.

I do use it sometimes but. I always use it like, no,

exactly, exactly. I wasn't late because I said

12:00-ish, maybe 2:00 now, but still ish.

But now I'll say that like for return visits and stuff like

that, follow up visits, it's like, yeah, I'll be back within,

you know, I'll be back to you in about sort of, you know, five

days ish. That covers me for up to 10

days. You know what I mean?

It's just I always say ish and I always make a joke about it and

say I must stress the ish part, but I try to.

But it's just sometimes when we're busy, you, you can't, you

know, sometimes there's jobs coming in quicker than you're

getting them blinking done and you just you're sort of chasing

your tail the whole time, you know.

But the area we cover is massive, so that there's a lot

of driving and. We cover about 2525 miles to

two, sometimes 35, but that's a contract that's like there's

like jobs on the way. But do you cover much further

than that then? If I'd like this, I find this

amazing, like, and to me it's hilarious because like, I know a

lot of folk, I speak to them. They're like, yeah, we just

covered a 10 mile radius, you know, and I'm like, well, and

they're like, yeah, 10. Miles would be dead with no

business. If you've got a job where it's

worth it, we will go further and fail.

Totally and totally get that and everything.

I'll go as far as you want for the right price.

Like, but like people, you know, covering 10/20 mile radius and

like they've got 4 employees. I'm like what?

Like, I don't know how you do that, but for me, I can't

understand that because the density of people, you know,

down, down in these big cities compared to up here, it's

different. So like 10?

Miles in London, it's very different.

Exactly, exactly. So like my I don't even have a

radius in that sense. But like I if I covered a radius

of 30 miles, I'd be I wouldn't have a lot of work, put it that

way. But we for so for example, on

Friday, they're past. I think I was actually saying to

you like I've gone to that job and they knew I was going on

Wednesday. They were told on the Wednesday

I was going that I was going on the Friday and it was for school

and the primary schools. They close at 3:00 PM appear

some are no different, but they were told about it and

everything. That was great.

Thank you very much. See you on Friday.

Sort of thing turned up and it normally takes me to get to this

place about 3 hours or something like that of driving to the

place. It took me 4 1/2 because of

traffic and tourists on the road to turn up and you have to get a

ferry as well. And I turned up and the the

school was closed. I was not impressed to say the

least. Strange, isn't it?

No, what it is is that they closed because they've got the

new closing time on a Friday afternoon.

They now close at half 12 and not 3.

But no one but no one thought to tell me like.

Half 12 for primary school seems very strange.

It does. I think it's down to the, I

think it's down to the staffing levels and the pupil levels.

It's a very remote, it's a very remote school.

And so there's not a lot of people.

But like I had travelled, like say it took me 4 1/2 hours.

So basically, to put it into perspective, I did 9 hours of

driving. You are.

Yeah. But I did, I did.

I had other jobs to do in that area, but I did 9 hours, 9 hours

of driving on Friday for three jobs.

Yeah, that's. Not, not good.

It's a big. Area up here, you know, sounds

it. Really wasn't.

I wasn't happy like I was not happy.

Oh, I heard the voice. No.

Yeah, and that was team, that was team.

But I think if the if the cars in front of me could have heard

me that were holding me up, it would have been a different

story. But it's just like our area is

massive up here, you know, and that's the problem.

We lose a lot of time travelling between jobs and stuff.

So that's what sets us back a lot and stuff.

So, but you know, I mean, it's nice our our like on the drives,

it's it's standing scenery and you know, it's beautiful and on

a nice day, on a wet day, it's not.

But, you know, it's, we take it for granted, you know?

Well, yeah, everyone says to us, you must go Rutland Water all

the time. It's beautiful.

Like we do go, but more so now. They've got the kids, but a lot

of people never go. Yeah, all the tourists love it.

It's a tourist charge, obviously.

But you take it for granted when you're there, you know, it's

like this, this North Coast 500 that we have up here now, you

know, like going around the North Coast, like the 500 miles

around the North Coast Scotland. And it's, it's a stun, stunning.

And I honestly highly recommend anyone to come up and do it like

it's, it's, it's beautiful, especially if you get the

weather for it. But in the summer, like, you

know, this time of year, be prepared for midgees, but like

just just come and do it. It's it's brilliant.

However, if you see my van behind you pull in.

But like it's, it's, I see it every day when I'm doing my work

every day. And you take it for granted, you

know, and it's and it's, it's, it's not it's bad.

I shouldn't take it for granted, but.

You do, everyone just take the local area for granted don't

they? Of course, of course they do.

Yeah, they. Do so, yeah.

So I reckon I've took up enough time.

Like that was a fun conversation.

Andrew, that was good, that. Was good an hour and 26 forgot,

but yeah, that was a fun conversation.

Thanks for coming on. No.

No problem. Thanks.

Jason McPhee, Adam, Jenny in chat.

But thanks for tuning in. And I would say, do you want to

tell people where they can find, oh, why is it focusing?

No, I got new cameras. There we go.

It auto focuses it's. As you, as you move.

Yeah, I got you. Yeah, I'm getting used to it.

Do you want to tell people where they can find you file and pass

good response or not you got or do you want to just say or did

you do you just want to say UK for tanks at the end?

You can. Yeah, I mean, you can get, you

can get in touch with me no problem at all.

I'm more than happy to speak to anybody you know about anything.

If I can help in some way or whatever for my own pest

response or UK baton supplies, it's no problem.

Highland Pest Response website at the moment is literally just

a home page because of reasons that I was hacked and I've never

put it back up properly and someone had to.

Someone hacked me and tried to steal my domain name and

everything like that. It's never been back up since

and we're working on it at the moment.

Now. I've gone to a new website

person and we're working on getting a new one done and stuff

like that for but not in the immediate future.

But the contact information is on there if they need to get in

touch for whatever reason. And the same on UK Bataan

supplies. If I don't answer whatever,

leave a voicemail, I will get back to you.

So yeah. I will put it in the

description. It currently isn't in there I

don't think, but I will put them both in the description after.

Yeah I will. Thanks for watching everyone and

I will see you next week. Next week we have Mark Porter on

from Porter's press control. We do.

He celebrated 8 years he has in in the business he's built up

and that'll be a good, good story.

But yeah, Jason, Jason said. Thanks both.

I really a really good podcast tonight.

I'm using batangs tomorrow on a few mole jobs, Jason said.

Good stuff. Yeah, Fingers crossed.

Got a good trap that's. The thing yeah.

So I've never I've only ever used barrel traps have.

You so far, have you got the time?

Have you got some plants? Have you got some?

I've only used traps. I've only ever used.

I'm a newbie in the mole world. I am, yeah.

I don't claim to be an expert put it that way, but I get good

results on jobs, so that's all that matters to the customer.

It's I remember doing like when I started doing a few moles and

stuff like that and then I went and Alan Jones's practical mole

catching course and it's just like opens your eyes to that

bigger world. And you know what I what I

learned on there I use daily now, you know, it's never look

back on it. Oh, that's fair enough.

I might get to it at some point in that course.

But no, it's definitely. But yeah, I will just press end

stream, but stay on for a SEC. You don't have to disappear.

But yeah, I've done it again, right.

I'll get used to this camera by next week, but there we go,

right? Thanks everyone and I will see

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