Pest perspectives EP 58 -The REAL State of Pest Control in 2026 (AI, Wasps & More)

Hello and welcome to Best Perspective episode 58.

There was meant to be one last week, but that was meant to be

58. But unfortunately the guests got

the time zones wrong. I put GMT, he thought it was

Mountain time in America, so he messaged me at 2:30, loads of

messages, what's happening? And I put I waited for you,

etcetera. And he says, oh, I'm so sorry, I

thought you meant Mountain Time. But yeah, he'll be coming back

on. It was Jeff Stanford.

He's he's these things happen, don't they?

I probably should have put Green Greenwich managed time.

You know, I didn't realise there was another time zone similar.

I didn't, but he'll be back on. But this is #58 we've got the

round the round tables actually getting quite popular.

People seem to like them. So if you ever want to come on a

round table, anyone that you've never been on the podcast or

whatever, give me a message and we'll see what we can work out.

This week we do have on Kieran views from Green Rock Pest

Control. How are you doing, Kieran?

I'm doing all right. Thank you.

A little bit desperate to get on again today because but 7:30, I

just was contacted by the fraud squad, so I've just been dealing

with that minutes before coming on here.

Goodness. So what I would like?

To do, I'd like to. Give a big shout out of Pepper

from the fraud squad. Top girl.

Yeah, right out. So thank you.

Pepper now that's nice. Have you told you're on the

podcast? I have indeed.

She asked for a shout out. Well, you're going to want that

though, aren't you mate? Hello Jason.

We are going to be joined by Sam Tricky, but he's on the way home

still, so he'll be joining us shortly.

I just thought I'd go live because if you leave it, if you

go over 15 minutes and he linked up to LinkedIn, he doesn't want

to know it won't go live. So.

So we thought we'd just start while Sam's getting back.

But yeah, that's but it's a good shout.

So shout outs to Pepper. Yeah, Sheila.

Pepper Yeah. Good girl.

Good girl. It's.

Good. I know today we're talking about

bit of AI and doing stuff and you're on about LinkedIn.

Have you seen the LinkedIn AI app?

LinkedIn AI app. Yeah, there's there's an app

where how LinkedIn is more corporate in, in, in speech and

text and how, how it's all laid out.

So I have found an AI app which will put normal speech into

LinkedIn speech. So have you ever come across

that? I haven't, but I know how to put

it into LinkedIn speech. I do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I've been having some great

fun with this, right? So let me let me just do you a

quick one, right, So. What you say?

Today. Right, So today I scratched my

arse and. I thought you were.

The dogs, right? So today I scratched my arse and

walked the dogs. Now let's have a look see what

it's got to say. So today was all about deep

diving into personal recovery and optimising my routine

through some high level canine management.

It's vital to audit your internal assets whilst

maintaining and the commitment to outdoor stakeholder

engagement. Good, that's it really does,

doesn't it last? My favourite new app.

I'm not saying it is it. Is it a LinkedIn app?

No, no, no. It's it's called Kagi KAGI, OK.

And it does a lot more other things than that, but you can do

it English to LinkedIn and. It does sound that does sound

like the equivalent on LinkedIn, but if you speak normal on

LinkedIn it seems people seem to engage with it more.

If you actually talk normal like you're supposed to, it works as

well it does. Yeah, until you get this out

because it's really funny. My, my, my LinkedIn, people

don't realise my LinkedIn is quite big in the sense that the

engagement I get etcetera is I haven't put so much content out

on LinkedIn recently. Oh no.

The problem is when I tell people I'm not putting out the

content out on LinkedIn, everyone said yeah, you are

because I can see. Yes, it's I'm still supposed to.

I'm only on 10,000 impressions. The last seven days it's gone

down slightly. Yeah, I don't know.

How many I've got, but it won't be nowhere near that.

Past the past two months, 69,000 impressions.

Nice. Nice.

Things like that. But but yeah, a lot of people

because you a lot the algorithm shows people my content a lot of

it it does, but it's all pest control related or stuff like

that. No, it is, but Thumb Tricky has

entered this stage. Has he?

That's what he. Says and oh, he's got his

proper, he's got the proper hat on.

There he is. You're right.

We're live already. Oh, that's.

Right, I won't say anything bad then.

How's it going? OK, cheers.

How are you? Not too bad, not too bad.

Sorry about that, I just got a bit behind.

Don't worry, Karen. Karen, Someone tried to rob him.

He was just telling us. You said about, that is all

sorted. Yeah, well, I've been, I've been

maybe shut. My account's been shut down for

up to three days, but I'll find out tomorrow.

Exactly. But I did have a big shout out

to Pepper earlier from the fraud squad who who sorted it out?

Top girl. Sam the show misses real life.

She she just featured on the podcast.

I know, I know. She's good, isn't she?

Lovely job. Yeah, I mean, so.

So you've got it got. It's all sorted now though.

Yeah, I think so. I think so, yeah.

New Crystal Vision can go do one whoever they are.

I feel that Sam should give Pepper a shout out too.

Yeah. Who you packed for a shout out?

Peppa? Yeah.

Peppa the the lady from the fraud squad who helped me out

just now, you gotta give her a big shout out.

Right. OK, lost on them No.

So you've been up to then, buddy, the day, No, just.

Just finished mogs. Yeah, just finished.

Just finished another 5 mogs. Nice.

I caught 1 today. I finished a job, the job I

said, the job I said was going to be easy or visits.

It made it made it made literally no sense.

We went, I went twice this week, actually went on even Monday or

Tuesday I can't remember. And there was literally no

activity. Nothing.

No, no further activity, but we left it in, left it in, came

back today and it was in the first mole trap, a set booth.

I was like, I got it. I was the bloke was happy

anyway. Well.

That's all right then it's always sometime it's going to be

easy if. You say I told him on that,

Yeah. I'm not saying it no more.

No, I would learn my lesson. Like, even I was telling Angie

MacDonald about that. Oh, yeah, you've done it now.

Why did you say that? He says.

It'll be a nightmare now. Yeah, Oh, he did.

Oh, he says. Isn't it?

Is it how's how's mole control in your part of the world?

You 2. Manic, manic and the grass is

growing that the. Grass is yours is yours is farm

based. I rent it, Sam.

A lot of it's based off your contracts, ain't it?

Or is it not? Yeah.

So we do do do a lot of domestic as well.

Weirdly this this season actually I haven't done that

much domestic, but we always do like a fair few of the rack on

tracks that we do their moulds from as well.

And then some might just literally do their moulds for

them every year as well. So you know roughly what we got

to get through. But because of the wet start and

then the grass is still going quite strong.

So yeah, it's going to be a race against time I think, but we're

getting there. But it's it's hard work at the

moment with everything else. Oh nice, another farm, another

farm down. So it'd be nice to get on to the

next one. So the differences with me and

Sam, Sam's north and I mean, so over our side, the mole came and

they went Agri. Moles are unheard of at the

moment. There's just where Sam's

pulling, you know, numbers. We're pulling nothing.

We're not even putting traps in. So there's a few domestics.

I've had a football field clear, but apart from that, the moles

are slow. Very very, very, very slow.

They do do that though. It's runs in cycles.

Couple of years back it was absolutely.

Yeah, it was bad because you're almost, we then made sure that

we covered ourselves with set up and a minimum, minimum mole

catch because what you're finding is some places that you

normally do, which you'd make money out of because you were

covering so many acres on the quad, there wasn't any moles to

catch. So you ended up actually it was

costing starting to, you know, really hit into the cost.

So we ended up saying even if it is a quiet year, then this is

the minimum you have to pay regardless sort of thing.

So that works quite well. But yeah, you're right, it goes

in years. Some years it can just be

absolutely dire. Here last year it was bonkers.

Literally. It was, I mean everywhere you

looked in driving a car about, they were the road size.

They were everywhere, literally. I've never seen some money, but

someone told me last year it was a massive year.

Big year, biggest year in 25 years, someone told me.

Whether that's right or not, I don't know.

It's difficult. I think it also depends on like

I think some farms never really recover if you keep, if you keep

going at them every year, they never get too mental.

They sort of stick at one sort of stage.

But sometimes like the farmer just finished now we first did

them, we pulled 200 of them and like today, I think we got 57

was our total for their for the year for them.

So you're you've dropped and then you'll keep it.

But that was last year was in the 50s as well.

So I don't think you'll ever really top that now.

Now you've got them down. It will just sort of stay at

that level. But yeah, sometimes you'll do

like a new farm and you're like, whoa, we've got some moles in

there, like. Do you have with the amount of

moles you've got? Do you make hats out the moles?

Oh, we have full, full waist coats and trousers.

Yeah. It's a shame, really, but yeah,

no, we. Don't or use mould juice for

catching rats. That's it.

Yeah. Mould paste.

Basin is saying there's lots of moles on the grass verges on the

main road down from him. That's a Telford.

Telford, right? Yes, yes.

You do see a lot driving around there, don't you?

On the Verge. Yeah, I've seen a couple of

links in front of me Van. Couple of walk Karen, sorry.

Couple of mink. I saw one on the on the way back

from Bristol. I saw one dead 1 all.

Right. Yeah, no, the my, my two were

alive and legging it. Don't they?

I don't know if I've seen, I, I can't remember what I told you a

while ago. I've seen well, in front of my

van. Was it, was it a mink?

I said, I see, I told you saying I think real.

It was a real like thin bit of string running across the road.

No, it was a stoke. It was a stoke.

That was a stoke. That was it was a stoke.

Yeah, it was. A stoke actually rang my dad.

I said somebody just ran across. I've never seen it before.

Oh, he'd be a stoke, he says. It'd be a stoke.

I've never seen one in my life, honestly, apart from on the

Internet, I've never seen. He just ran across the the the

road. I was like, never seen one then

before He. Used to call.

He used to call them up. He used to sit there, call them

up and shoot them as they come into you.

If you saw them dart across, we used to squeak them up and then

we keep her and squeak them up and they'd run up almost like a

fox. They'd call in sometimes to you.

Yeah. You know, with stoke, is that

like a thing like in wildlife management, like if you get a

lot of stoke to people, you have to control them sometimes or

not? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I don't, I don't You get a very rare occasion with like

chicken killers, but like obviously with wildlife

management with not the keeper and aspects and and you know,

ground resting birds. Yeah, it's really important to

keep you safe. Yeah, I know the project, the

project up in Orkney. I've looked a little bit of that

and that's really interesting. They're sort of almost doing it

like I was saying about New Zealand and they've.

It's interesting it. Is all around there.

So yeah, it's, it's it's, it's an interesting study.

I've been looking and they are literally trying to wipe them

out completely. Yeah, yeah.

And yeah, it's, it's very interesting.

I don't know if it would ever get here.

I don't know. Oh, I want to hope.

Yeah. It'd be quite worried if it got

here. Well, they're doing it doing it

with the mink, can't they? I know they are they.

Are trying to. They, I don't know how far that

will go, but they're doing a good job on the mink, really.

So it's your buffer in it. Yeah, coming in, I think that's

suffered by, I'm not sure, but I think it's coming.

Yeah. I watched something on the other

day that they're slowly bringing it.

They're like doing exclusion zones on it and then slowly

working through and they they DNA test them as well.

So yeah, that's interesting. OK, but now it's.

Yeah. What?

What is interesting is I had a black house mouse the other day.

Oh yeah, no, I didn't. I didn't even know what it was.

They sent a picture. I didn't clue what it was.

Yeah, yeah. Melanistic.

Yeah, yeah. So reverse the opposite of

albino or albino. Albino.

So melanistic. Yeah.

How cool is that? He's now in my freezer getting

ready to be taxidermied. Might as well, because it's rare

you might never see one again. Absolutely, absolutely.

And we've got Mr Mark there. But there must be some in your

area. If you need to have caught one,

there must be some somewhere. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, yeah. We're waiting for Sam to pull

out the the ginger mole. Yeah, I've done one.

I've done 1. I've done 1.

White ginger. White ginger.

Only one in someone's garden. Yeah.

White one. Yeah.

Well, white ginger. He was sort of ginger.

White. Yeah.

It's an absolute fluke. Just in someone's garden.

But not, not not quite. One sense of.

Course some weird. Happens but not not not pure

white or ginger. I'd love to catch one of them.

It's funny, we don't get many different kind of rats.

Have you had any different kind of rats?

Because I've, I've not had anything really.

No, like obviously lights are darker but nothing like

different different. No, really, no.

The normal colour, yeah. You think you would?

Wouldn't. You.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think?

Sometimes they can, sometimes they can come out different

colours, but they are still the normal brown rat.

Sometimes they have different colours I've heard I have I

think. Saw a white one didn't they?

That I saw somewhere there's a white one.

We did somewhere I did. So there was a survey that went

out by the BPCA about asking people their thoughts on mole

control, I thought. It was quite.

Good. Yeah, I I filled it out.

I didn't have to laugh. I didn't have to laugh though.

In the comic section of it, someone put I thought Jeff had

this all under wraps. I was like, why did you mention

his name but no one's replied to this person?

But it's an interesting 1, isn't it?

If Defra tried to ban mole traps, you know that.

Actually was one of the questions in there.

It said if that was to happen, mole traps were to be banned.

Would you use aluminium phosphite?

Would you carry on? If not, what?

If not, why? I actually put that as well.

I put no, my well, I wouldn't. I wouldn't bother.

It's not not for me. I just put the I just, I put a

better way, but I put basically I, I understand obviously for

rabbits and things like that, but for mole control it's just

not worth it. Really not worth it.

The rules and the regs etcetera can't be.

That's the pattern I also put because I'm a British

molecatcher on the register. It's against our code of conduct

to use it on Moles I. Didn't know I wouldn't use it

but I didn't know that. Was part yeah, it's yeah, it's

yeah. Because it's all based on

traditional mole capturing. It's that's what it is.

The mole captures, it's all traditional mole capturing.

So it is actually against the rules of the of being in the the

the they went on on the British molecatchers register.

I keep getting confused because I'm on the British molecatchers

Now I do. They're two different things.

But you know, but it yeah. So if you didn't know that, that

that's one of the things that you can't really do.

You can't use aluminium phosphor.

And I wouldn't that that was actually one of the questions.

If it was banned, would you use it?

Would you carry on? And I was like, no.

I think it's important to have a full toolkit and I wouldn't ever

say get, get get rid of that, But at the same time, just just

for me, I just think if I can't trap them, it's it's so much

easier to trap them. If you're saying that that's not

humane over anything else, then to be quite frank, I'd rather

just not do it. It's it's just doesn't it

doesn't, it does. I don't see the it's so

efficient trapping in there and you know, it is just, you know,

it makes sense to keep it. I just think it'd be madness if

anything happened really to happen.

It's just like a survey that asked you multiple different

scenarios, isn't it? Yeah.

Because I can't imagine that their surveys goes out to a lot

of people. And I'll be honest though, one

of the questions is, are you a British Bowl Catchers registered

member now? There's not a lot of members.

They say we've only there's about 120 odd members on the on

the on the register so on the mould captures register so.

I can't mean to get into it. I do think it would be a good

thing to do, but. You just have to be careful.

How many memberships? You end up getting into God,

don't you? Darren Darren on Facebook Darren

Garthy thanks for commenting. As put, they risk using

aluminium phosphide for moles on potential tunnels near the

property. Traps, in my opinion, are the

safest option over chemical warfare or moles.

You are right, You're not because you're not.

Don't think you're allowed to use them in domestic.

You have to be. Is it 100 metres or something

away from a property, etcetera. There's there's, there's real

big red tape on it. I wouldn't, I wouldn't bother.

But obviously as you, as you say Sam, you never want to take a

tools off the table because it is beneficial for like for like

rabbits and all and that kind of control if you need to.

So when it comes to models then boys, what's your favourite

trap? And he's one, the Duke.

All day long, that's. Fair enough, I'm a trap line

man. Yeah, kind of you.

Have you caught that yet? And are they trap lines, Sam?

I swapped. I swapped over the towel packs,

did the job. I can have another go with them.

I can have. I do like the batangs I do.

I do use batangs as well. I'd probably like 80 percent,

80% taupex. And then if I need some sneaky

traps in, I don't want people to mess about, I use batangs.

Or if I get done, I'll I'll put a batang in as well.

But yeah, I did try that. I've only only tried 111 set

with the ones you gave me, so I'll have another.

They're very similar, aren't they?

They're very similar. Pretty much.

I mean, I was going to buy some, but unless we get loads of work

and it really ain't worth me buying trying it.

If we get a load of work, I was going to buy some, but if we got

a load of mole work, I mean to make try some different traps,

but I ain't, you know, going to spend that money.

We haven't had a lot of work in for moles.

It's not really worth it. But if I did, I would have

ventured to maybe try some different ones.

But Darren's put and he's probably right.

Oh no, expert not doing gassing for many moons, but I'm sure

it's 10 metres plus. It might be, I've no idea.

That's how much I know about it. I haven't got a ticket.

I've got anything for it. I haven't.

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review. The thing with me is with the

trap lines, Sam's got a quad and 100 acres and I've got a bag and

I'm having that round an acre or an acre and a half.

Wow. Yeah.

They're quite lightweight and you can carry a dirt load in a

small bag. Yeah, that's what I like about

the batangs. We do a few better ground that

we can't put on and that I do do use a lot of batangs on that

purely because you can, as you say, lightweight, easy to move

around. You take an awful lot in one

hit. And yeah, if you're doing it by

foot, you don't want to be logging some heavy stuff, do

you? No.

No, no, you don't. But wasn't there a subway?

Isn't there somebody within the industry that says you must walk

around all these fields? I know Sam's a fan.

Sam's a real fan of him. Well, I've never met him.

I don't, I don't know. I just, I don't know how.

I I don't know how you would do farms without a quad.

I just couldn't. I just, you know, you think

today we've zipped round 400 acres.

How are you going to zip round 400 acres if you don't have a

quad? How how long is that going to?

You know, walking's nice, but you know, there's only so much

walking you want to be doing in. There Well, well, last last year

I nearly took on the farm, but in the end the farmer backed

out. I'll be honest, I'm I'm actually

pleased he did because it was in an area where we our van would

probably get stuck. We don't have, we didn't have a

quad, etcetera. And Kurt Graham on LinkedIn.

Thanks for thanks for watching. Is anyone Does anyone backfill

with sharp sand? No, but I've had people use that

for the voles before when they've been digging out the

banks on people's spot to invited people who use sharp

sand for that. But I've not used it for my.

I've never. Heard of it?

There's a bit of knowledge people, if you want to give it.

I don't know. There you go.

Never heard that one before. No, I'll give it a go on

domestics. I won't give it a go on sharp

sand around if I got a quad Sam that was down to you bud.

No, we do literally you won't be careful like I, I'm very careful

as well with we started off kicking all molehills and I soon

realised that my feet will give in by the time we finish.

So I'll do, I'll drive over molehills with the quad ONS if

it's easy. But I say to farmers it's their

job to get rid of molehills because otherwise you're going

to be doing a lot of kicking and it's going to take you a lot of

time. So yeah, I don't even do

molehills now. Not not loads.

We do a Golf Club. We don't do the mole control,

but they've got one of them tractors.

You know when you know they drive over it.

Like a Harrow. Yeah, I.

Think so. They've got one of them.

Yeah, Yeah. And I I don't get it.

It won't kill the mole. So will it?

It's just knocking the molehills down.

Yeah, it's just to get rid of the just to get rid of the soil

on top, like so, yeah, I mean, if they're really bad, I'll

drive the quad over a few times. But yeah, I remember when we

first started out, me and Lucy, we're doing a lot of kicking and

mole hills and I just went hold on a minute.

We haven't got time for this really.

We've killed them all. That's, you know, time to move

on. The dispatch is done so.

Yeah, it's obviously usually just to see which mole hills

still active, but obviously on your scale that you're doing it

at would be very. Yeah.

It's not worth doing to be honest.

No, no, you just got a beauty. It's all about, I find you got

to get the traps in quick, you got to get round and hope you

caught well and then move on. As soon as soon as you know that

there's no fresh activity on that that work and move on.

But we used to do like multiple farms at a time and now I do 1

farm, finish one farm, then move on to the next because you end

up with just traps everywhere and it's just much easier to get

through 11 lot at a time. But at the same time, you're

rushing against the grass by the end, that's the only thing.

Oh, guess what I saw today? I was I was doing a job out in

the middle of the sticks and the wops and I was talking to the

customer and a little Queen Bumblebee little bombers

Hypernorum long, and I'm watching it going.

Oh, and it went into her downstairs in the soffit and

yeah, started to make a nest. So in in under our gathering in

the software in the fascia. So I thought I had a quandary

then. Shall I own up or will I see you

in a few months time? Wow.

I fessed up. I did, I did, I did.

I, I, I kicked the queen out today.

She got to go somewhere else. Yeah, you can't with you.

You can't miss an opportunity to make some money, can you?

No, I did that 1. I did that one.

I just tapped tapped away and we.

Didn't transfer a fault. Oh, it's always something.

Oh, right. Oh, I see what you're saying.

Right. Get it now?

Yeah. All right.

Yeah. Went over my head.

I did. Yeah, but no, it's.

But yeah, I I tapped away until she flew off and then closed up

the gap. So they're good customers.

They're good repeat customers. So you got to got to be good.

But but yeah, but we're nearly getting into that season, aren't

we? Might.

Be honest that hello, hello to Darren.

Thanks for popping. He will he will be coming on the

podcast at some point when I can put him down for a time and

date. He's a he's a drain man.

Yes, he does. He does drain courses for one

EMV as well. He does, he does.

There is a mole question here as well. age-old question.

Let let the traps sit and whether before using them or

straight from the box into the ground.

And that's from Darren. Sorry, Garvey.

Straight in the ground, yeah. And I don't worry about stent

either. I actually find I get a better

catch rate, although my hands take it.

I get a better catch rate not wearing gloves than I do if I'm

wearing gloves because I can feel the run better.

But it's just me personally. But I find I can put a fresh

strap straight in the ground and he's just as good.

OK, everyone's different. Everyone's different.

I'll be honest, I do prefer put him straight in the ground,

however, I've got that many mould traps that have already.

Yeah, I've got tonnes. I don't think I'll be buying any

for a while. Yeah, I think I haven't.

Got any jobs on SO? I got a load of poo tangs and I

was talking to Sam and I was saying they're just terrific,

can't set them, they ping off. Absolute nightmare.

So the advice? They're the ones they're sorry.

They're the ones that you have to make go rusty.

Yeah. They're the ones.

Oh, will you try and do them without being rusty?

Yeah, he'll be, well, rusty. A lot of people.

A lot of people do, yeah, I said to.

Didn't I just get them in some war into there?

Yeah, what a difference, Yeah. It's so much easier.

And yeah, so, so saying saying that, sorry, yeah.

I would say that fresh traps on everything bar batangs, because

the tangs you obviously need to rust purely to make them set,

you know, right, because otherwise the triggers are

paying off. So yeah, well done.

That's a fairpoint, Karen. Yeah.

So yeah, brand news apart from batangs, but obviously a rust

obviously an old trap works just as well as long as the springs

are efficient. So I find those tail paxes just

never seem to you know, they don't seem to wear out.

They just keep going the. Workhorse, obviously, yeah.

They are, they're good. They're good traps.

Those tail Paxes. I do enjoy them.

That's what you need in trouble. And that was the main even in

that survey, they were asking you what do you think defines a

good trap and what is a bad trap?

They did. Yeah, for me they're the most

humane. I think the Tangs are as well

and the trap lines design. But for me personally, I think

that the Telepex's are very rarely ever get a miss miss

catch. I just just like how they how

they go in the strengthen them. Yeah, about yours is more a

better, a better result than my survey because you use multiple

different ones, whereas I was only putting answers for doofus.

But they were to be fair things aren't they?

That's true. But to be fair they were

actually asking is there any brands in particular you think

are good and which ones etcetera.

So I just put down, you know, are you UK?

But UK Patanks do for this but generally pest stops and Lodi's

they are kind of the same, same build etcetera they are.

Yeah, I'm going to use Lodi, the telpex style Lodi traps against

the genuine tail packs and I I use we've got a fair few of them

running. So I ran out one year and bought

some off Lodi. And to be honest with you, I

know UK the tank supplies are meant to be just as good and I'm

going to try try some of them as well.

But the the Lodi ones seem to do just as well as the the genuine

tail packs as I just sort of prefer the genuine tail packs as

a little bit, but that's fair. Mate it's always I I know, I

know you do like to try different traps so you probably

will buy them and. That's yeah, I give them.

A You love A You love a trap, don't you?

I do love a trap, yeah. Yeah, I have to be a bit careful

because I've got end up with a lot of traps.

No, a lot more. Yeah, a lot more traps.

That's it. You could never have enough

more. Yeah.

And luckily Lucy is always like, no, I think you could do with

some more. Can you?

All right, I could do with some more.

I'm actually surprised in your little office say you haven't

got just traps laying about for you to play with.

Yeah, just like as I'm, as I'm working, just have a little.

Yeah, yeah. Try not to.

Like a little fidget spinner. You haven't seen, I tell you

what, that's what I need. I can never sit still.

Get on here. It's the boxes you never get rid

of. I don't, I don't know about you,

but I'm, you know, when you get a nice box, I don't know how to,

you know, like when you get, you've got some of these Karen,

you know, like, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

For some reason, it's a nice box, isn't it?

And then you just, yeah, you just can never get rid of that

box for some reason until. Yeah, I haven't.

I haven't got 1. Hold up.

I feel a bit left out here. You haven't got Where's your

box? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's a tablet. It's a tablet.

We've all got something, but it's like.

Like thermal boxes or the nightmare, you've got to keep

the box for some reason, because it's a nice box and I and then

eventually in a few years time, Lucy will make me get rid of it

and I'll be like, well, I might want it, yeah.

Yeah, exactly the same. Yeah, nice box.

Here's the well made box. It's a lovely box, isn't it?

It's nice, some nice boxes. So welcome, Jasmine.

Jasmine Emerson, thanks for popping in over on LinkedIn even

but yeah, so we are boom being I've seen Wasps about how many

of you lot what's flooring about?

Bumblebees, but no. Wasps yet?

Yeah, I've seen bumblebees, honey bees, wasp queen Moss.

I mean, I've seen it's that time of year.

Come to Queen Hornets. How are you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of couple of queen, call it

Asians Oval. The Haitians, yeah, that'd be

nice. Asians, yeah.

Seeing the seeing the Asian Alliance.

Oh, only a few round there, hopefully.

If it was is it being cold? Because like now here it is,

it's actually quite bitter. Is there is is a?

Is it cold by U2 or not? Yeah, we had a fall.

Cold, I think. What was it?

Was it? Yes, I think Yesterday, I think

it was yesterday we experienced every season of the year.

Yesterday it was sunny, raining, pale.

Yeah, windy as hell. Every.

I think it was yesterday. We've got every season in a day.

Yesterday it was. Going to snow today.

At one point it sort of was that cold, dry, sort of, yeah.

You sort of thought that's almost good grey that could

almost go. So yeah, it's weird weather,

isn't it? It is, yeah.

And then we had the sun come out and it's like, oh, where were

the fact of 50? And then no, it can rain in the

hail. Today it was quite nice.

It was still a bit windy, but it was actually nice and sunny at

the same time. It was.

So Jason's saying that down his way.

That starts Telford. The Queens are out down here.

He's now saying there's snow down here.

Darren Garvey. He's from central Scotland.

It's bad play, mate. Yeah, it's always going to be

cold there, isn't it cold here in central Scotland?

Tops off weather during the day. Until it snowed.

How? Could the snow wouldn't hurt,

Just a little bit of snow. It would be nice to have a

little bit, wouldn't it? Just no, I don't.

But I don't like the snow. I get very funny.

Ever since I broke my knee twice.

I don't want to risk anything. No, I love a bit of snow.

I didn't slip on snow or ice, you know.

But I just. I.

Don't want frost. I don't want frost because I was

in the traps, so I don't want frost at the moment.

But yeah, I do normally like a bit of frost and snow, but not

not right now, this minute. No, no, I mean, I'm going to

take two days off over Easter. I'm going.

To have sat oh, you fill out the seat there, you time, time off.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to take two days

off because I want to. I want to plant out me front

down fair. Enough.

It's just that. And you send your picture, It's

two days of pure graft. It will be.

Yeah. Household labour.

Yeah. There's.

You are the most busiest. People think I'm busy.

No, no, no. This Kieran.

This Kieran, if he's not doing that, if he's not doing that,

he's doing something else and he's doing something else.

He's kind of like Sam really as well.

Yeah, he got to keep busy. Keep busy, keep busy.

It's like, you know, I'll get a text from Samuel at 12:30 at

night and then like I'll be texting him back at like half

six in the morning. It's like, yeah, we'll sleep,

sleep when we're dead. I, I, I, I tend, I tend to do

the night time shift and you do the morning shift.

I don't get up that early now I'm out.

I know, I know. I'm normally getting in at six O

clock in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've become a definitely semi nocturnal that's for sure.

But no. Problem is is like now, so like

because we're I haven't booked anything in tonight, but you end

up you won't sleep tonight. So you get so used to not that

your body clock changes, that you're used to working, you

know, going out at night that sometimes it's now difficult to

get to sleep. And that's the.

Only thing have you got? Have you got a TV in your

bedroom? No, I don't have TV in the

bedroom. Oh, sorry, because you could put

YouTube put YouTube on and that sleep music might might son you

sleep. Oh yeah, that's just works When

I when I can't get to sleep, I put it on.

It works. I'll have to give that a

whatever. Not not straight away.

Not straight away though. Get.

The radio or something and do that through the radio, Yeah,

may work. Green Music.

What, like whale music? Anything that just.

Makes you want to piss. Yeah, I was going to say.

Oh no, the the sound of heavy rains, all right.

Yeah, I tell you what, there's nothing better in it.

They're Lenin's bed in here and they're absolutely hammering it

down outside and going, oh, this is nice.

I know, it's weird, isn't it? But if you listen to it through

audio, it just makes you want to go pee.

Yeah, Sean Mooney. I'm swearing with Sean Mooney.

I don't have. I don't have to ruin this view,

though. But he looked into how they make

the rain music. It's not rain, it's someone in

the frying pan, is it? That's.

What they reckon it has the same same noise or something?

I'm sure on one podcast he mentioned it.

He looked into a video. I'm not saying all of them isn't

rain, but there was a particular guy or whoever was doing the

channel where it was, it was somebody doing a frying pan and

it came out of the same noise as rain.

You can't tell me that because every time I hear it now, I'll

think bacon. OK, there you.

Go, you're on the finger or bad. But no.

But we are going into what seat? Well, soon we'll be going into

what season there's. Somebody down our way that's

already done one it's. Not.

Yeah, apparently so. Must have been like, it must

have been this dark case of just going in and knocking it off

right in the shed, going in there.

What a live boss nest or Dan. No, I've done a dead one, but I

think there's something there. You've done a live 1.

It'll be in a shed, you know, Knock it down.

That's what I'd do. And then that's fine.

Yeah, just go in and knock it down.

But you've got to be careful as well, though, because sometimes

you knock it down and they come back, don't they?

It's hard of rebuilding it. I've, I had workers last year

rebuilding we I actually had a few that I removed the nest and

I had one that was in a bird box.

I took the took the whole bird box off, put it in a bag, tied

it up and took it. Then I had a call back because

the they were rebuilding on the post, the work as well where

the, where the bird box had been.

Yeah, another one just started to rebuild on and I've loved it.

So yeah, I've had two, two lots of workers rebuilding where I

took the nest. So, but yeah, I.

Have to say I do a. Residual spray.

I sort of learned a little bit of residual spray where the nest

was might help. That is that.

Does that do it? So I'll do that.

Then if that happens, I'll do that.

Oh well. Yeah, if you can, depending on

where it is and if, if, yeah, if it's all right with the product,

then yeah, a little bit of residual spray where where the

nest had actually been, then the workers will walk it through.

That was my logic anyway. So it seemed to seemed to help a

little bit so. I've been sorting out on my army

store and everything like that so I've been getting already on

my rehoming B boxes for me Bumbles and me Hornets start

doing that again soon hopefully. Can I enjoy that rehoming those?

I was going to have bumbles this year.

I was going to get a little B vac.

See if that will that will help have a go with that.

That'd be good. You you're going to go through

that. So that'd be quite interesting

to do because I've not done that before.

You're going to do some flomos nests aren't you?

With a Hoover. Yeah, I've got me got me wet and

drive back. So yeah, I'm going to have a go

at doing a few. Yeah, so just do a few.

It works quite well with ground nests as well, doesn't it?

And if you, if you put a bit of water in the bottle of it and

then. But I've got, I've got 2 that I

use for general work anyway. So we can just reuse those two

vacuums anyway. So it's not too much of an extra

expense, but hopefully if they're in places that you, you

can't use any pesticides, so. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. You just need Lucy the video for

me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah. You know, I'm terrible at making

videos I doubt I'm not very good at, am I?

But yeah, yeah, probably. When I'm when I'm trying to

rehome home a nest and it's trying to film it with one hand

and trying to do the nest, yeah, it's not working.

I suppose, you know, I've got to pull the proof over here at that

time, are you? It's not needed, No, no.

No, no. But it's going to be needed for

a few days next week, so get on, pull the proof and we go through

people's roof spaces before it gets too hot, so.

Won't be long, it's going to be warm.

Dayton's got some advice here. Yeah, he soapy water.

Yeah, yeah, that's brilliant. That's brilliant.

I'll give that. I'll give that a go but put a

bit of soap in there because I remember watching he did one I

think it was. A council job, I can't remember

now. It was for the, IT was for the

council. That was, that was very good.

Yeah, yeah, no, that was good. Interesting to watch that.

A good post though, but as always a lot of people jumped in

what you do that for etcetera. It's all right if you get, if

you're getting. Paid extra to do it like that.

It was. Yeah.

That's well, that's absolutely the council were paying for

that. So that's what they got.

That's what you get extra, extra.

You always get people like on the pest group sometime.

What do you up for? Just spray it.

Well, they paid for that, so they got the extra.

I don't mind doing occasional things just out of interest to

see that I can do it and have a go at it.

And then you're prepared that if someone does want to pay extra

or if you you've got a situation where you can't use whatever and

you've got to do it, at least you know how to do it and you've

had to go before. So I think it's that stuff like

that's really, really good. And I think, you know, it should

be commended. So fair play, really.

It's becoming more common, people trying, trying stuff like

that. When I had I had the author of

the book you did you did you finish that book?

No, I nearly finished it. I've still got a little bit left

to go to. Brilliant.

But Serene, Serene has some, I've probably got a name wrong

and she had the wasp book and she was and I was mentioned that

to her and she said it's it's a good, it's a good thing to try

that for Wasps. Well, she was saying about using

was it CO2 to knock them out? Be honest, I need to go and

listen to the. She was saying about using

because I was going to look into that as well.

Is it carbon monoxide? And then inject that into the

nest to knock them out first and then dig them out.

I'm pretty sure I won't be wrong, but that's what I think

she was saying about so that that would be interesting to

look into. It was and also I went to I'm

not, I'm not derailing the conversation, but I, I'm not,

I'm not. I went Pestex, I spoke to Good

was the wasp Wasp poll Pro Yeah, people again.

And he he recognises me straight away.

Who's he sees me. I was like, you have to.

He was talking about coming on the show.

You get, you must get, you must you're they must give you 1 by

now, wouldn't they them out? You know the free advertisement,

I would have thought. He's I think, I think he's, I

think he's business. I think he's only I don't, I

don't think he's he makes them at home, you know, it's not a

factory. I.

Was only joking. Oh, no, Makes them at home.

So I said to him, we're real close.

We're real close. Yeah, I think, I think we might

buy one this year. Is it I've got?

PA is it PA 2? Kieran, Here's the one.

I've just got one. Yeah, PA 2, isn't it?

Yeah. PA2 because you've got one as

well and then I've got one second hand and then.

What's the one? They're the ones that are they

the ones that are fibre like? Almost like a pressure washer

Lance. Yeah.

And a fibre. Glass and then you've got a

fibre glass on the on the I think you can get the fibre

glass ones, but I've just got normal extension poles onto it.

Yeah, and then you get the. Gas.

Gas like the gas cylinder underneath.

And then you put your Vulcan in it and then it doesn't work.

Yeah, well that the the on there I think there because what I

quite liked with it apart from the fact it was second hand and

it was a good, good price. The you can put the the end bit

the actual powder pot at the end.

So the airs, isn't it in the air can go all the way through and

then it it's only happened to push it out that last little

bit, isn't it? So yeah.

Beyond the part APA 2 powder applicator.

That's it, yeah. I'm on the Killjerm site now.

Yeah, we've got an old fashioned one if anyone wants to buy it.

Have you? What?

So is that? Oh, it's a lot older than this

one. Yeah, right.

I don't know how much you want for it, but it's in the shed.

I think it's telling me to put it to put it on one of the

groups and sell it. It's never really been used.

Like, was it not? How do you on this?

I can't see how you like when you look at the picture of the

box. I can't see how that you'd get

that up to how you get that up to what's this set lock and

eaves? It it's, it's limited, it's got,

it's a limited reach on it, I think.

You can and you can. Clip on, clip on.

Oh OK, you can clip on. I think there's multiple you.

I've got like 3 poles and. Then they have two cartridge.

Yeah, yeah. And then I've got I've got 1

fastener and I need to buy another fastener but there's

like 3-3 poles on it. Yeah, you need your fasteners.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I say. I've only played around with it

so far. I haven't actually used it,

yeah. And that's also.

In anger, as they say. Thanks.

And Said also a good Jenny for you Hoover as well, Sam, you

might get places where you haven't got power, basically.

Yeah, yeah. That's a good shout.

Actually, that is a good shout because yeah, it can take take

you take a fair time sometimes. I can imagine, mind you, the

smaller nest. The the you love my Dusty.

Dust stick? What's a table I need to look?

I'm crap at names. Oh, I've dusted to Brill.

I've got a little short one that's about about 3 foot long

and that's brilliant when you have to hang out of a window

when it's just up above and just.

I think I've. Brilliant.

There we go. So the one that we're going to

go for, I know you don't like it, Sean.

We're going to because I've I've already got the kit for the.

Are these dust sticks? Are they the ones that go you?

Are they the ones that lock into each other?

That no, that's the ones, that's the extended poles that you can

because I've got the same ones as you, but for the Dr 5 so that

you can get a conversion kit for the AR eight.

I've just looked it up, so I'm going to get that.

So I've got the AR-8 as well. Yeah, well, the ones you lock

into anyway. And so go on.

I'm terrible using it. Honestly, I'm useless.

I'm using that. Yeah, I'm not too worried with

them, but it's handy because I don't, I don't like climbing up

too much. As Kieran knows, I don't really

like hikes so I'm more than happy with anything that will

extend up and I don't have to do any climbing.

We have got a massive, massive pole, yeah, but it took quite

two people to build it though. Well, we have got a real, real

big and it me, it requires me and it's quite an operation.

We charge more to use it. Well that's because now we know

that Waspole Pro you can buy any size you want.

So if you tell him what size you want, he'll do custom size it

for. You.

Oh. That's pretty cool.

He's also sold some. He was telling me to I'm sure he

said it's the Australian government or the New Zealand

government by Asian Hornets to have an Asian Hornet problems.

He sold some to them, bigger versions to them they.

Do get lovely made. They do like looking at looking

at a few. They are very well made aren't

they? They are.

They are quality. They are.

Let's have a look Jason. Has the electric pump attachment

of the Dr 5 yet been released? I haven't heard it been launched

yet, but I I found out what is Birchmark.

But is it Birchmark? That that that that's who's

making it so and it's being sold through Auk distributor.

He wasn't really sure who was selling it at the time.

He just said it well. That that looks good.

I think a lot of. People are because I think you

can use it. I might have got it wrong, but I

think you can use it for dust and wall and wettables.

I think that's the idea. It's not out yet.

I was, I need to send them is I'd like to get them on the

podcast if I could. But yeah, that was really

popular because it was actually something new because, you know,

it shows it's not a lot that's new.

Is there any pest control show? It's never something that's

really brand new and that looked brand new.

He says. Yeah, mate, it's meant it was.

Oh yeah. It's not been released yet, but

he reckoned it was out next week.

So it's not out yet. So he said it's been three years

in the making. That's, oh, that's not long.

A new bike takes 8 to 8 to 10 years here, whatever the waiting

time is. Baby steps and small steps.

I think it's going to be a popular thing though.

Yeah, that will be very popular I think because I.

Really want 1, so yeah. You don't have to buy the whole

unit. You can buy just the pump

because there is all the bits that go with it and everything.

You can have all that as well, but you could just buy that just

the bit stick on top. Yeah, it's nice to have

different options, isn't it? It's nice to that.

That's why I just, I quite like the little PA too, because I

just thought it was quite a lightweight little nifty thing.

Saves Athens. If you when you're climbing up a

ladder, even if you've got like a wasp nest in the side of a

building and you're up the ladder, you don't necessarily

have to be carting up a DR5 of you.

You can literally just go. You know, job jobs are good in

time thing that's I just thought it was a nice little it's nice

to have the options in there. Definitely is, especially now

with way the way it's all changed cost control.

It definitely it definitely is. I was reading an article from

Paul Westgate from last year in BBC just to remind myself he's

on about Bicam. DV removed.

Just make sure you wear your your your bee suits and make

sure you get think about if you can, if it's direct, don't just

you can see the nest directly. Don't just wet it.

You can wet the nest obviously, but put the pipe inside as well.

Make sure you get everything this tips like that just to make

sure you actually get the nest and make sure the customer knows

because of the products changed that the success rate.

If you don't hit it properly, you could have to have a second

treatment and set expectations basically.

Yeah, yeah. It seems like anything with it

and if you've got to set the expectations earlier with you

and then people are prepared, aren't they, for the if there is

a call back, at least they know there could be.

We. Didn't have many, you don't,

don't you 2 didn't have that many either, did you?

You just changed a little bit of what you're doing, don't you?

I suppose. Yeah.

The only ones I had were like in roof spaces where you're trying

to go through the tiles most like.

Yeah. And up on that, yeah.

Nightmare when you couldn't get inside you know get your thermal

camera around now don't we all and we're having a look through

and yeah you can't get to them in the roof so you have to go on

the outside and yeah cool back then so.

I had one on top of it was like an outside building and it was

like right at the top of the eave of it.

But they were like old concrete slates slabs.

Yeah. And the only way I could get to

it because I got one of those ferret cams, is I've chucked the

ferret Cam all the way up. And eventually, it took a long

time, I found them right at the top and we had to sort of like

lift the the the slabs up and then hook them up with bits of

twig until I could get actually to him.

And you're amazing how much effort on top of the roof you

ended up. Just to get oh that point you

might have just. And you're like.

This is definitely worth you know, you you got to make sure

you allow for that in your price, isn't it?

You know, that was, I mean, I'll be honest for you at that point,

you might have thought, oh what your suits on and removed it

just just just removed the entire thing at that point.

Yeah, I I like remove. I love removing nests.

I absolutely love removing nests.

But yeah, he was some. Sometimes they have been a bit,

you know, there's just, but you just got a bit of extra effort,

isn't it? I've walked away from.

I've walked away from Nestor. Can't get to.

Well, it's just I can't get to them.

Sometimes they like some people, you ask them where they are.

Oh, yeah, It's fine when you get there.

Oh, we've got got that ladder onto that flat roof up there.

Sorry. No, I'm not.

I'm not doing that. No, I don't do that.

No, no, not for me. I'll do sort of a ladder, but I

didn't think that revolves any serious heights.

No, thank you. You.

Yeah, yeah, I don't really. Yeah, some.

If it's all secure I'll do it, but yeah, not not my favourite.

I'm not the biggest fan of heights to be fair as well.

No, you're not alone there. No, I did a meal.

I did a meal once and luckily luckily it it's closed down now

but and it was very, very high and I remember going up because

they said there was some rush. Cheers Darren.

Thanks for watching. Thank you very much.

Yeah, No, I had to stay up there.

I was sat there for about 30 minutes to try and build the

courage to get back down because I couldn't.

Couldn't. Not because all the workers were

down there and they would know that I was frozen at the top.

So I just sat up there thinking about how I was.

Oh great, but. Yeah, I did get down.

Let's put it this way. We didn't need to check the rats

at the top of there. After that.

There was there was no need to ever go back up there.

No. No, I did a church steeple for

squirrels. No, not up through the front.

I went out, went out on the inside and came out.

Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm not, No.

No, no, thank you not. For me, I definitely.

Couldn't do bad work if you. Yeah, yeah.

Does it give you the eyelids when your eyes?

Closed. Yeah, No.

So how, what poles are you using then?

Kieran, if you're doing on top of where you're doing, like in

between slates or what have you, what poles will you be using?

It depends really if I can get a ladder up to it, but I still

like my dust stick to be honest. Yeah.

Yeah, I do like my dust stick, my PA 2, that's the only ones

I've got, so you know. We've got the ones as well,

where they're metal and you, they screw together, I don't

know what. They're called that.

That's the same. It was the PO2 ones, didn't

they? That's the same metals.

Yeah, they're metal. Yeah, they're aluminium.

I didn't know that they OK, so that OK, I didn't know what they

were called might be the same. Ones, weren't they?

Yeah, I'm not sure. But these diesel are king.

Right, Yeah, these need like a bracket on them I think.

These, these don't, I don't even know what they're called.

They work sort of matters. As long as it works, that's the.

Main thing, yeah, but if you get too high, you get issues.

If you get past three poles, it starts to bend, things like

that. So you've got to be careful.

That's when you've got to get a bigger pole out.

Sometimes you can if it's just going up some slates, just about

balance it up the slates and you're falling.

You're just trying to wait for it to go off a bit and then put

it. And you just push it up, it's

fine. But it needs a.

Fishing rod harness isn't. It to scrap yeah that big well,

you know that you know that big pole though I told you about

what we made it is actually a fishing pole Actually it is

built out a fishing pole. It is my dad built it never ever

tell the whole pest control community you've got a pole and

DM me for the info. I got my Facebook, my other

Facebook when I had Sean mother pest control.

They banned me what Facebook did because it was that much

traffic, multiple accounts asking how did you get this, how

did you get this? And I was sending it back and

forth. They thought it was hacking

attack or something. Never really got it back, but

I'm not I've never done that since.

No. It's a good pile, but it's a lot

of work to put together. You got to put it together each

time you want. You want it to a certain height.

It's a lot of work. It's a two man job to get it

together. Yeah, get it up and get it down.

It's nice, absolutely quick and easy, isn't it?

Because when you've got, especially if you, you know

you're there and the client's watching out the window at you,

you want something that's relatively quick and like, you

know what you're doing, don't you?

It's when something doesn't quite fit and they're looking at

you and you're like. Oh yeah, some of the comments.

Like, oh, I really wish you weren't watching that.

Yes, some of the comments on on when I put that hole up.

Sometimes it's like odd stunned on the top of my van.

Do it. I thought, you know, well then

why don't you? A lot of them got to stand on

top of my van today. I thought, well, that's just

idiotic, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And also and also equipment failure in it when people are

watching you go right, I'm going to go out and you stab that

nest. Oh, it's blocked nightmare.

And you know you can feel the eyes of the customers burning

through the windows that you go yet.

Yeah, yeah. Oh really?

Yeah. But it does that I try and

always keep me keep me tubes clear but pipes clean.

But it doesn't happen, does it bit of moisture in the air, bit

of whatever, especially now Fycam is great, but now Vulcan

and I suppose are available. But yeah, it does I.

Use Deadline. I've just bought.

I've just bought some Deadline after your recommendation short.

He asked me about the comparisons of Vulcan, but I

said I couldn't tell him because I'm trolling it, so he's buying

up his own accord. Yeah, after you said so if we

get any callbacks, I'll be ringing you up if you get to

good to try it and give it a go because they say we've done

tried tried Vulcan as well. So it'd be nice to just try it

and see what it's like, so. Yeah, I've just done Vulcan.

There's quartz as well, isn't there?

I've tried that. I didn't.

I wasn't. I don't know.

Yeah, it it, I think there wasn't there one batch that

wasn't very good or something like that.

I'm not, I'm not. I wouldn't, I wouldn't rule it

out. I've tried it.

I wouldn't rule it out, but I preferred Vulcan personally.

Yeah, I'm kind of sticking with it.

I'm going to stick. With Vulcan, I would like to try

it. We're just going to try the

deadline now. But yeah, I'll give it a go and

see what he does. He's supporting rent to kill.

Why not? I was trying to match this to

say if you knew your deadline was rent to kill, you did.

Well done, you passed. Oh, thank you.

We're talking to Rent to Kill. I've got a contract for a pub.

He was going to use Rent to Kill and he then decided he didn't

want to pay the money of what they wanted for every three

months. So Rent to Kill sent down all

their stuff. Boxes and boxes and boxes and

boxes and stuff. Oh, brilliant.

And they haven't come and picked it up in like 8 months.

So is that now? What you've got to appreciate

though is I think the owners, the person has got it wrong

there. Rent to kill, sell you

everything. It's all sold that customer.

Says you haven't paid for it, I've heard.

I've heard that as well that you they buy the.

Boxes. Oh, you say, You say it's not

pay. Oh well, maybe, maybe that's the

case, but they won't come and pick them up, don't you?

No, because he's offering them to me now and I'm like, well,

should I have a look, see, see what he's got?

Where does that stand? I don't, yeah.

No, I don't know. I know because they're the gas

boxes as well. Watch out, Karen, they're

watching. They could be watching.

Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah.

Well, I don't know. You know, I can come and get

them and they come and collect them from me.

I don't mind. Just leave them.

Can't you just leave them deactivated on site?

Like not not set actually out inside, but just you know, in

somewhere stored for them to collect.

Where? Where?

Any of them? The auto gates.

The bloke wants them gone. Yeah, the auto gates, but the

bloke wants them gone and he. Keeps yeah, that's a bit of an

issue because the auto gates I don't think are cheap and the

only people that can see what's going on with an auto gate is

them rent to kill. But yeah, so.

Really, you'd have to pay to get, you'd have to pay to get

rid of them, really. I know it's not going to be a

lot, but you'd still have to put them through your waist to get

rid of them, wouldn't you? So.

But we're not doing that this. Is what I'm saying.

So maybe, maybe is it then the client's responsibility to get?

Yeah. Yeah, I would say, yeah, it's

the clients I would say there, yeah.

But it's a shame that they're going to get lobbed.

Don't they get trashed or thrown away or whatever because they're

not being picked out? But yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. One thing the the most

interesting thing that that interests me at the weekend, I

think it was a little bit ago was when Sam's not very tech

savvy when he says to you, I've been playing with AI with

treatment reports, etcetera and his view on what it's like.

So do you want to tell everyone? Because if you, if you know

this, if you know Sam, you know he's not very tech savvy and

he's been playing with treatment reports and AII didn't.

Yeah, I didn't do treatment reports.

It was risk assessments after so Kieran Kieran sent me some how

to get on to AI. Obviously we we do the do the

software brilliant autumn and it's changes.

So I, I do embrace, you know, a new, but I'm not very tech savvy

and actually it scared me of how good there I was.

And I just thought it made me a little sad because the amount of

effort and heart that you put into risk assessments and not, I

didn't look at it for treatment reports, but you could do

treatment reports and everything else you want to put in there.

How easy it was just to type in do me a risk assessment for

this. Do me a review on this, do me a

cautious assessment for this. And it was just like, bam.

And that's lovely. But I just, I just thought to

myself, all that effort that you put in, how easily anyone can do

it now it's, it's good. But you've obviously got put the

nuances in, haven't you of the risk assessment because it will

just come out generically. So that specific site you've got

to put in, it's this kind of site, this kind of danger you've

got to add or what is it would literally do a generic one, but

it's still easy. Just got to input the data and

it would do it for you. Yeah, it's it's yeah, I mean

it's don't get me wrong, it's brilliant and for some things it

will definitely save time. But I Gee, I said to you, I just

felt a little bit sad that all the effort and almost the enjoy

not You do get enjoyment, don't you?

You must find when you do, when you do a really good report or a

really good risk assessment and you think, yeah, I'm proud of

that. I've really thought about that

and I've nailed it. And then you just just go like

that and it's done it for you and you're like, oh, OK, then

that's, yeah, that's not really personal now, is it?

It's just put a few keywords in and bang.

But I like it, don't we? So it is good.

It is good. I do like it, but I do get what

you're saying. It's like, well, with you doing

that, would you would? Well, it would obviously the way

you do it now without AI, you you type it out.

Yeah. You want to make a point in

telling them this is not AI written.

I wrote this myself. The joys of being dyslexic that

if you read through my treatment, you can even if even

with spell check, if I read through, there's always going to

be something that AI would not have done because it will not be

spelled correctly. So it's quite clear that they're

handwritten, but at least at least you put the effort in and

write them yourself. But I mean, a lot of them you

can use phrases and things like that, like we said, but like on,

on, on most of them. I like to put a lot of it hand

handwritten with treatment reports and stuff.

But. I thought you were fully on

fully on the software. No, no, no.

When I say handwritten, I should say hand.

Hand typed I mean, not. Oh, OK, yeah.

So that's what I meant by handwritten.

Yeah. Oh, Oh yeah.

No, I don't do anything paper now.

It's all all on the computer, so.

It was painful, Dad, didn't it? Oh God, yeah.

Especially with my handwriting. It does help because obviously

you don't have to get out AI to do it for you.

If you write it out and say please spell check, grammar,

etcetera, do not change it, it will do it for you.

It will do that. Oh, will it?

That might be something that I could really.

If you, if you ask it, just put do I don't know what the prompt

is, but if you put, please write it out and put, paste it in and

put. Please do not change what is

written. Please spell check and make sure

my grammar is is correct. You'll find it won't change

anything. It will look like you're writing

just spell check and you know all the punctuations in it will

just do that for you. You tell it do not change it.

Do not change the wording. Just just make sure the grammar

and the the dots and everything's in there.

It will just do that for you. It will.

You got to tell it. You got to tell it that though.

Have you that? Could be a plus point then.

So I, I do think there's loads of plus points I do think.

There's loads of ways to use it. There's loads of ways to use it,

but a lot of people, it's a long learning curve because you've

got to learn that you tell it everything, but we don't tell it

exactly what you want. Sometimes it doesn't give you

that, but you can feed it in and say just spell check this, do

not change it, Make sure the grammar's correct.

It will come out and they will believe it's you that's wrote

it. Yeah, they will.

Just got to be pretty specific in here.

But you can also, the other benefit is you can also type

also, you can talk to ChatGPT the whole report and then say,

please keep it roughly within what I've said and the group,

etcetera. And it will just do it as well.

You can type it like you can talk, talk, talk into chat,

ChatGPT. And then it will come out with a

report, but you copy and paste it in.

So you can do that too. So you can talk to it as well.

So if you can't read or write as whatever or not very good at it,

you can do it from that perspective as well.

But you say that it takes the art of it out.

But I'll tell you something now, not mentioning where the school

is, etcetera. Well, I've never heard.

I know equal opportunities exist.

But if you listen to this one, somewhere there is a teacher

that could not read or write. They have a tablet and they ask

the tablet what the answers are, support teacher, and they ask

the tablet everything. They've got to be equal

opportunities. But you'd think that they'd have

to. You'd have to be able to do some

basics. Yeah, it shows.

You that doesn't it? You might as well get the kid to

go. It's that tablet.

It's 10. Yeah.

I said it's a hard 1, isn't it? Like, I mean, I love, I love

reading now. And you know, I do a lot of

writing and everything else. But like, as a kid, I struggled

severely with this accident and things like that.

So I do, I do sort of think that everyone should get for it.

But yeah, I can. I wasn't.

Clever at school either I was, I wasn't the best of you know,

I'll say I'm so I'm cleverer now than ever been my whole life.

But I never used to care about stuff.

I do now. It's easy.

When you're interested into it, if you're interested in

something, then you learn it quicker, don't you?

And it becomes more exciting. But with.

AII do totally get what you're saying that to write a decent

report will not be difficult. It won't be like, oh wow, you're

so good at your reports because the chance of nothing might be

thinking, yeah. I think AI is great and I think

it can help like that, but I also think once you've done a

report, you should be able to put that report down and know

exactly what's in it. You know, it's easy to go right

do me a risk assessment for this, but it's done right Send

that. But what was in it?

I don't know, but it was a risk assessment.

That's all right. I think you have to know if you,

if you're typing something out of your own brain and your own

own experiences, you will know the insurance and outs of it.

I think you can lose it a little bit with AI because it's a

little bit too easy. You get those bits, those bits

done. But I, I've started using it.

I'm not brilliant, you know. Sean soon picks me up and he's

like, ha, ha, you've used AII can tell, you know, And I've

only just started using it, not very long months.

Is that it? It, I've been using it quite a

while. I've got like ChatGPT

Professional, the version, but I pay for it.

That one's £20, but I'm looking at a different one.

It's got it's got multiple version.

Yeah, but they can do can do a lot more than you think.

They say you've got a website. You could ask it to go into

agent mode and scan the entire site and look for look for STM

on it and look and basically try and rewrite the entire site.

But you obviously AI won't go into your system and do it for

you. It would just tell you what how

to set the pages up etcetera. But that's how I got my my SEO

scores up and AEO via using ChatGPT Pro.

I did. It's kind of a completely

different language to me, Sean. I don't.

Know to be honest what you up to everybody.

It is sounded really good, but I don't have a clue what you.

Just said so. So when you do search, when

people search for search now they use AI to search.

So websites now want questions and answers in your website.

That's what what's called, you know, the search engine

optimization is SEO, but it's now there's, there's an AI

version of that. I can't think it's called AEO.

And that's what it is because your searches can be grabbed

into the question that AI answers, right?

Well, because I'm, I'm ranking in AI, all my sites are that,

that was through work. But yeah, it's quite a powerful

tool as well. That's £20 a month if I pay.

But I'm looking thinking about trying a different one as well.

I am. I've seen one that looks a lot

better, but I don't want to jump ship.

I might try it, see what it's like.

Is that the same similar price is it?

Deeper it's got every version of AI in it, all of them in it, not

just chat, but ChatGPT is known as the best one that is it is

but it is a powerful tool you've got to learn your answers you

have the. Free one, that's where.

I the earthquake to be fair, use the free ones.

There's nothing wrong with the free ones.

There isn't nothing wrong with them.

It's just obviously you won't believe how much I don't use

Google search no more. I go on ChatGPT.

You won't believe it and you'll get frightened because what

happens is you can talk to ChatGPT.

It can have a frigging conversation with you.

It can talk back to you. It can talk back to you and

you'll think a person's chatting to you.

No, because that that's the fear with kids, because a lot of kids

there's like Co pilot that's Microsoft's got and it will

happily have a conversation with you.

It doesn't come off the screen. It just talks all the

information back to you. How was your day?

That kind of stuff. Well, I don't like that.

I don't think that's right. I don't like that.

The one I let you have told you about Sam, that's got that as

well. That's.

Good. That's good.

That's yeah, I've been, I've been amazed with that.

Yeah, but there's also a lady on there that you can talk

backwards and forwards to. Yeah.

Or is that I've just typed stuff in.

I haven't actually talked to anyone on that.

I've just played about and typed some stuff in and was like

that's scary. Hi, Jackie.

Oh, you do. I always say please and thank

you. You never know.

It's the robots going to turn against us and I won't know.

I was being polite. Yeah, it's polite, you know.

Oh. Dear Right.

What about, what about the the passion of pesticide with

domestic use then what about, you know, household use then

Kieran, I know you wanted to talk about that, didn't you?

Yeah, there's bits and pieces in there with it, really.

I know we've all got our own views on it, but let's be frank,

it will never be banned because it's a big revenue stream.

It shouldn't be banned. You know, people who can't

afford pest control who need to go and buy amateur stuff from

the garden centre or from wherever and need to use it.

I for me, it's all down to education and educating the end

user in how to do it. See from my mind, I would like

for people to sell it. Just have a little bit of

training and let's say a chart of right, what's your problem?

Right? You've got a rat.

Fine, where is it in the garden? Do you have a pet and just

follow that train? A thought until they can take

you to the product you need. And I think that would be a lot

more sensible than oh, I use the blue blocks.

I saw one the other day on Facebook and somebody, someone

said, oh, oh, I use that rat poison and they said it was the

red blocks. Oh no, I think they're the blue

ones. And it's just sounds scary.

I've seen an educated man who's who's a lecturer at university

who is throwing blue grain bait under a bird table because the

birds can't see the colour blue. Yeah, and some of them don't

think it does any damage. No, Brilliant.

Yeah. But I think personally, and I've

also mentioned it to, to Hugh and, and for the MPTMPTA to look

at is maybe just educate the people who sell it to try and

help the end user to use it properly.

You know, we vary in resistance where all the old boys have

always bought dye fedakim, they've always just tossed it

out the back door on the allotments.

And you know, Oh yeah, that one's five guests.

We've been sat in the shed for 10 years, five years, whatever,

and then tossing it out. And now we've got resistance in

certain areas of, you know, where we are.

And I just think a little bit of education will go a long, long,

long way. And he won't play hitting Owls.

Yeah, the blocks are always the one that scares me.

And the most I get is, is amazes me that there seems to be like a

flinging power with blocks, doesn't it?

When you go somewhere and they go, I've used that red stuff,

those blocks, I've been throwing them in the hedge and you're

like, OK, then where have they gone then?

They seem to be going every day even.

Like, yeah, what's taking them then?

You know, like what, what, what, what, what?

Where is it going in the atmosphere?

It's. Scary.

Scary. You You talking about farmers?

I'm talking about anyone with Yeah non.

Professional use, but let's put it that way.

Yeah, talking about clients who import their own and and.

Yeah, from, from, from, yeah, the, the, the domestic house to

the, the farm. Yeah, yeah.

And then and then normally the question after they've whacked a

load of probably defender people, broke the dialogue

blocks in the hedges. You've got the good stuff.

Then. Yeah.

It's got the good. You're going to use the good

stuff, ain't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you're the one. With the good stuff.

Sam goes. No, I'm not.

I'm the guy with traps, yes. Yeah.

Get that stuff out. Here we go.

No, it's, I think, I think domestic side, my personal

domestic side, I think with the amateur use, I think it's

essential for health and welfare.

And I think we didn't have it. There's a lot of people that

couldn't afford to pay or, or, or have it done.

So I do think that it's a it's an essential thing.

But I do agree that there is just a complete, you know,

there's no is it? Yeah, there's a war ground,

isn't it? No one, really.

Brings the label. There, there's it's just grab

some of the blue stuff and whack it about.

Well, that didn't work. I'll grab some of the red stuff.

Because you know what? They, they, they think the

colour makes a difference. It's just the colour they think

it's, you know, yeah. And also and also, you know,

when, when you're talking like mouse and racula, you know,

they're not talking apodemos, they're talking mouse musculars.

And how many people do you actually think are for amateur

staff who have killed a house mouse?

Well, I would say no 90% round here if we get a mouse crawling

a domestic property, it's going to be epidemic.

So like in the end of the day you you no domestic property if

they've got mice issue round here should be using and then

decide unless it's unlabeled. So 90% of it won't be actually,

they're not targeting the species they're meant to.

But if you start saying that to someone, you just get this blank

look come over their face, don't you?

You know, but. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

I know. But it's so frustrating when we

get clobbered for, you know, poor old owls and, and, and

secondary poisoning. It's it's just frustrating,

really. That's what gets me.

And I think a little bit of education would go a long, long

way in helping everybody. And they'll still get the same

amount of sales. And you still get that.

You just get the education of knowing, oh, hang on a minute.

So Dyfedicum is better if I've got a dog, you know.

And yeah, I don't know, It's, it's a hardcore.

In this in this day and age, just mind going thinking with

it. I know, I know, obviously

there's but you could almost say return, return side for the

public sector could literally only be bought online.

And when you went to buy it, you had to do like a 10 minute

training video before you bought it.

That would be the way to make because no retailer is ever

going to actually just a brilliant idea, but they're

never actually going to put that effort in and that soon gets

lost. But if you had to do like a

quick 5-10 minute, you know, video.

That was good. And was like, you know, what

mouse have you got? Is it, you know, and that sort

of thing. And you know what risks are on

your property. And you had like a 10 minute

video and then after it you got a tick box and you could buy

that much of whatever you thought after video you needed.

You know that that might that might be the way eventually,

wouldn't it? Yeah, absolutely.

It's a hard one because unfortunately, although we have

to go by the crew, the public are the HSE and you're never

going to change their mind. But what the thing I will say is

what I've been hearing is we're meant to be going into

something, one of the European Union biocide bodies again, so

whatever's licence for Europe could come here.

What I will say is in Europe using Diaphanicum outside for

mouse control is banned and to the public.

But you know, the people will say I've got a rat problem,

don't get it, couldn't they? But they've done that in Europe.

Who's going to? Police it.

I don't know I would agree with that because in my opinion,

although I did have musculus the other day coming out of a

drainage system running through underneath the door.

So technically it was outside, but in reality, any baiting

outside from mice 98% of the time is probably going to be

epidemis, isn't it? So I, I shouldn't you, you

shouldn't be baiting unless you're baiting with a product on

the label that says you can, you know, bait for epidemis, then

really defendakum isn't shouldn't be allowed, should it?

So I would I would support that. Yeah, and there's also, you

know, on the amateur market you can get alpha chloralos as well,

can't you? I didn't know that.

Black, black, black. There's a product called Black

Pearland there. That's what that isn't.

So you've never you know that, right?

Yeah, which is even more scary. Really isn't.

That that stuff that I heard about many, many.

I wasn't in pest control then where it was in a form where he

used to mix it up with corn and he used to slop it down and

there was loads of bird death. Birds are eating it.

All the many stories about that. It was a long, long, long, long,

long, long, long, long time ago. There was a product that they

used to mix and it used to, I see it.

They used, I think, well, they used to mix a lot of their

identicides, didn't they actives, But there was a

specific product for birds and I can't remember the active now.

They used to, they used to paralyse them.

So they used to, they used to put they used to feed birds.

So it was cleared for birds and it would, it was a similar name.

I can't remember. And it would literally then eat

it and they'd just go into like a paralytic state and then you

could pick them up and dispatch them.

I can't remember what it's called now that will annoy me.

I have to look into that. Mario, thanks for watching on

Facebook. What do you mean?

So everyone, we'll have the answers after the first time

someone's watched the video. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah. I don't know what you mean.

Do you know? Do you know what I mean?

He's. Sort of saying that like one.

Yeah, he's sort of saying that people once.

Once somebody's watched online the video.

All right, the podcast time, it's true.

Fill the fill the comments. Tell us what you think after the

show. Yeah, Build.

Build the YouTube comments and everything.

That's exactly it, yeah. That's what Mary totally right.

Oh no, he agree. With that, I'd agree.

With that, he was, he was on about your suggestion about the

mice. He was.

Yeah, I agree. Fill the comments.

Tell me what you think. Yeah, Get that algorithm going.

Come on, general public, but I don't it's not about general

public bio medentisode everyone's got.

Yeah, that is a hot pub. But maybe I know that I agree.

I just think maybe like if you know, quite often there's a fear

factor for the public, like, you know, we we will see it.

There's a genuine concern of I don't know what to do.

I'm scared I'm just going to panic by that stuff because

that's what I can buy in the local shop.

But maybe if there was like a helpful video with which, as

Kieran points out, which I thought was brilliant, which

sort of guided you to the solution that you needed, like

tick this box. If this is in your house, tick

this, if this is in, you're gone.

And then eventually when this is what you need, you know,

possibly, you know, that that could be the best.

I think that is, you know, that is a really good idea.

Yeah. Well, it's all sold.

Well, it's. All sold.

You want a POS? You want a point of sale is the

current ward with like a tree family tree thing going on it

with follow this, follow this to this is what you need and at

least they're buying the right product.

They might, yeah, just toss the block down outside, but at least

they get the right product. I had a job where we went to

once and I told him to go around the house picking the blade up.

I said what's going on here? Oh, I just put them on the floor

around the house, but not in box, not outside.

I says pick him up. Why?

I says read the label. You're not allowed to have to be

in tamper resistant boxes. Do you know you could kill the

birds like that? No, you can't necessarily

anything. He picked the blocks up though.

But I said did. Did you read the label?

No, he says what? You're supposed to read the

label. I says we are, but a lot of them

don't seem to. What?

Has been the most horrendous things that you just think I

just it's just like. Blue boards Blue boards with a

with a wax block stuck on them around the perimeter of a house.

Yeah, or the life I own. Or the live trap.

I wish I owned the big cheese because that is the panic bar in

it. The big.

Panic bar. I have a humane live trap.

That's what you want? Yeah.

I tell you, yeah. And I and I always walk in when

I've got it going. Oh, you'll see.

You've bought inhumane trap. What?

Yeah, I said it's in. I said I think it's inhuman.

Why do you say that? Says you might check it every

hour or every few hours. There's a lot of people not

making that loft and forget about it, and then you see a

skeleton. Yeah, well, they told you what

I'm saying. Oh, I've caught one.

I've caught one. It's in the.

It's in the humane trap in the roof.

All right. OK.

When did you catch it? All last week.

Well, where is it now? Well, it's still in there.

Brilliant. But it's difficult, isn't it?

I don't want to start back in public, but it's just.

A bit of education. Isn't it?

Idea I think, I think it's about positive solutions and I think

the the flow chart like you said possibly online.

So it's forced to I think there's it's all about positive,

positive things and trying to be proactive.

You know what I mean? You just, Yeah.

Or what we could do, what we could do, we could send Sean

around all the Wis right doing talks about it.

If you have wrote down the side for the WI get on Sean, you'd

love it. I think so.

You might just have a cake. On a positive note, I can I can

tell you now that the the stud ferret has finally got on and

done the job yesterday and he's he's proceeded so happy.

We did think he might be a bit shy and he was, but he's got on

with the job now so hopefully we'll have some parrot kits in

42 days time. Very good.

Another another batch of workers in the in the system.

So I'll be pleased because she's my best worker so I'm happy

happy with that. So yeah, just a bit shy.

He was needed a bit of time. Nice boy though.

Nice, nice lad so. He's going back.

No, I keep him. He'll carry on for a few more

days now he's got stuck in. He'll go back at weekend so.

Excellent. Get on your buddy, Yeah.

Fingers crossed. Are we good?

Need need need. Standing one are you standing

one across the Karen More than welcome to More than welcome to.

Yeah, yeah, top workers, you. Don't.

You don't want 1 Karen, Do you? You don't want one top workers.

It's difficult when it like like a.

Lot of being tested. I do loads of jobs and I'm like

thinking, oh, look at that bank, I need a ferret and a dog there,

you know what I mean? And it's like, but then I think,

well, I don't quite do enough. You've got you.

Warren it's got to be justification because it is a

lot of commitment, like the ferrets aren't, but a dog, a dog

is, Yeah. And a dog.

A dog is. And you need you really I I

would say that you would need you need both to make the system

work correctly. Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely. And one of my one of our dogs is

like 15 and she's retired. She does Miles.

She does. She's a good molar.

She will dig out a mole. And the other one is 3 1/2.

He just loves mowing and he goes nowhere.

Yeah, he likes that. He likes to get in the water and

have a swim. But yeah, he.

He. So.

Yeah. I know, I know.

Yeah, but it wouldn't start with one, would it?

Yeah. No it.

Never starts with one. We're going to end up with

probably by this letter, we'll end up with like 20.

I have I have been down The ones that they will work, but the

ones that didn't work don't work to the standard I want.

I I give give on to other other homes and they normally go pet

homes or they go to other homes. So we do, we do go from a lot

thin down, a lot thin down and then you end up with your best

workers then so. Yeah, yeah.

But I'm sure it will come to it and I will take a few.

They're lovely, they're lovely. To be honest with you.

Everyone gives them a bad press but as long as you handle them

regularly, they've got lovely personalities.

They are genuinely nice. I mean, we have them, obviously

they're outside, but we do socialise and bring them in the

house. They're there, there's a

madhouse, you know, you've got a dogs, cats, a ferret all running

around going crazy playing and it is nice to watch.

Yeah, yeah. Bless them.

I'm not selling it, am I? Oh.

You. I'm not buying into it mate,

because I'll end up with some. That's like, that's like me with

Falcons. I keep thinking about the Harris

walk and I keep managing to convince myself out of it.

So I'm doing all right at the moment.

I'll be honest, I think that I know you've got your dogs and

your ferrets, but I think the Falcon might be pushing it a

little bit far. Wow.

Did you say that? And then that makes me want one

even more. Sure.

Oh, OK. It's better for me to convince

myself not to do it because if someone says it's a bad idea, I

end up with it. But that's that's got me doing

your chickens in it. Yeah.

So my, my, my mind is that because I have to be 48 hours

bird clear, if I had a Harris walk, I'm, I'm pretty sure that

you've got to be a registered keeper of birds.

And I don't want to risk that with doing chicken sites and

being before, yeah, that was clear.

So I'd rather, I'd rather not risk it, you know, that's why I

won't keep any chickens or any poultry or anything like that.

So I'm I'm very careful with the bird side of it.

Yeah, yeah, sensible too, though it's very.

It's not worth the rest. It's not worth the risk.

Oh, Mario. Expensive.

Yeah, I know, actually. Diesel.

Because I know we get from this petrol station, we obviously

we've got a fuel cart and don't actually pay what's at the pump

goes on the fuel cart. So I often look how much it is.

I don't know. That went up five P That's

something. But I've won 57 for diesel.

I know it's going on as well. It's going up like within the

day, isn't it? It's going up between like 12 O

clock and five O clock in the evening.

It's going up. Yeah, that's in it down at the

chip shop. Get some oil, chug it in.

You'll be right. You're going to go.

You're going to go. Actually, we shouldn't joke

about that because it might come to it.

Hey. Yeah, or we just have like

walking or a bicycle. A bicycle.

Jason say 171 today. 0171. Ask hi.

I don't even I don't even know what it was here.

I don't take pay not much attention because I've got a

fuel card you see, so it's different but I find out 179 in

Essex. You need to drive.

You need to drive down to Devon. It seems cheaper.

Oh yeah, happy days, Happy days. What's on?

What's on tomorrow then? I was just going to ask that

funny enough all. Right.

Great minds. I'm not fucking on tomorrow

service of my vehicle, so I will be van less so I'll use my

chipper. I've got to RIP up some slabs

and relay and they've been dipping dabbed so I need to

solid bed them because they've all got hands underneath, which

is then coming up through the somebody's house.

So me for the morning doing that.

I then have to meet up with a client at his brother's wake.

So that's going to be interesting.

The gentleman's brother died. And we're clearing out his house

and he's got a few issues with with rodents and few insects.

The drains are knackered. So we go around and sort all

that out and the gentleman's brother is coming down from

London and I'm meeting them at the wake.

So are. You going dressed appropriately.

No, no, you, you, you see this orange top?

It'll be there. That's that's really.

I know, I know. It's yeah.

Yeah, it is first time I I meet the gentleman is at his

brother's wake so. Your first, your first thing

would be I'm so sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. That's all you're saying about

the pest control? But yeah, but no before that

I've. Been pulled the proof for him,

then pulled the proof. Oh yeah, yeah.

Pull the proof for him. He'll sort it out.

He'll sort it out. He sorts everything out.

He's a good egg, but yeah, I've also got a gun designed to do

tomorrow as well, no? Lovely not.

Quite pest control but got a nice gun designed to do go and

see so looking forward to that too.

What about you, Sean? All right.

Two contracts in Oakham today and then quarterly today and

another quarterly to do it's contracts tomorrow.

I don't it is. And I'm I'm going to read your

mind, Sam. Moles.

Moles. No, no, tomorrow, tomorrow

actually, I'll shock you. I've got a domestic first thing

in the morning and then and then after that I've got chicken farm

all day. And then after that we'll be

shooting on a pig farm after that.

So that would be my my day tomorrow and then moles.

Moles on Saturday, start of a new farm on Saturday.

Very. Nice get on there new farm.

Well, not a new, not a farm I've already done in previous years,

but obviously it will be the start of it.

This, yeah. So mixing that, we've tried to

get contracts done because there's a bit manic trying to

trying to, it's always a bit trying to juggle the two at the

moment getting contracts done and get the moles done in time.

But you've got to sort of prioritise the rat work.

I think moles moles are just your added extra well.

Cool. Well, yeah, they are for us.

Moles are extra, obviously. Yeah, but.

I think it's only a limited time, isn't it?

So you've got to be, although it's nice and you, you, you do

your best to keep everyone happy.

You have to accept that. Like for us, moles are a few

months of the year, but contracts are all year, so they

take priority and the moles will have to come second.

So I mean, I do less, more work than I used to purely because I

just can't get it all in. But I like to, if I say I'm

doing a farm, I like to make sure whatever happens, I get

that farm done because they've relied on you to come and come

and get it done before first cut.

So you know, we get tried what we get done done.

You believe it. We've been talking for an hour

and 43 minutes. Doesn't feel like it this time,

does it? It didn't last time actually

either. Is there anything else you

wanted to cover or I think we've covered it mainly, didn't we?

Yeah, I think we're pretty good. I think it's been a great, great

chat again, isn't it? Yeah, I've been.

Relaxing. That's been good.

Yeah. Got some points that will be the

code Wasps right? Doing names I can't be, but I

did that name last time. I'll tell you what you need.

You need AQR code as well on it Sean.

Hold on, just scan it so I can scan it with my bases app and

never get the points? Oh, right, yeah, I'll tell you

what I've got to do. I've got to send them an e-mail

and tell them which podcast I've done so they can give me the

codes because it's too difficult to to log it on their site.

You've got to give out all the details of who's on your

podcast. It's not my place to give out

someone's e-mail address. So they won't be doing it, I

don't think. I think that's breaching.

But then it wants their BASIS code number.

Well, why would you presume a guest is a Basis member?

It's a bit silly to me. I just sent them an e-mail.

I've seen them an e-mail instead.

You're not. No, no you're not.

Yeah, if you want code. I am jazz, you off.

Yeah. So if you want, it'll be about.

Yeah, probably. I don't know what to give

because to be honest, it's supposed to be two out, nearly

two out, wasn't it? Yeah, so.

Keep talking. So what What happens?

Would that be like a point, a, a point and 1/2 or a point?

Is it about a point? It's supposed to be a point and

1/2 or an hour and a half. I've never done, I've never,

I've never done more than that as such because but I've done 2

two hours before, but it's a hard one when I'm when I'm at

the time, the time right now. Yeah.

I would say when it finishes that mine.

If I'm so registering, I, I obviously you can say how long

it took. If it's sort of like that, I

just, I sometimes I just put a point for that to be honest.

But yeah, I suppose it's about a point and 1/2.

Isn't it really? Oh yeah, yeah.

It's, I'll be honest, most people could probably get all

their CPD this year from probably just logging my

podcast. A lot of them could.

I don't know how many I've done this year.

I've done a few, but then you can always go back and do the

old ones if you want. But you've got to do the

quizzes. It's not like clicking.

And I approve. I got fed.

I was so glad when Sean brought that in, the training bit.

So you don't have to approve because I don't know who was

actually listening to them. In reality, I was presuming they

were telling me the truth, but I don't know.

I do now. Yeah, so if I so let's say I was

watching this, if I have to watch this, then I'll put down

self self log it and then I have to write what I'd what I'd get

what I mean, aiming to get out of it and then what I actually

got out of it. So it proves that I actually so

you have to write like a proper you know what?

So it makes sense not. Got something here?

You can actually go on YouTube I'm when the videos done pop in

and paste the transcript into ChatGPT and ask it what did I

learn? Give me the key learning points

and look. So it may not it may not go in.

You can also do that. Mice is it?

Come on, I'm just telling you what you could do.

No, I don't like that. That's just cheating.

It's just cheating, but you're only cheating.

Yourself, aren't you? I don't do it, but I do use it

for when I'm doing something. Not all the time, but when I've,

when I was going through the backlog, I did use it for the

backlog because I needed to put the learning points in and

remember in every podcast what it is.

It's hard. Well, yeah, that's different.

That's fair enough. But if you're if you're not

watching stuff and just trying to cheat CBD, then to.

Be fair though people with the with the way I do it on British

pest register, you still can self register it but what's the

point when I'm I put it up anyway.

My podcast dominates that CPD training area.

There is no other podcast or anything on there.

I dominate it. Literally it's beauties and

beasties and my podcast and there's not many beauties and

beasties on there. I bet it's not.

He's got, he's uploading another.

Oh, he's got another one up there.

You're hot on that. You're hot on doing that though,

aren't you? Yeah.

I usually do it straight away. Yeah.

I usually upload it straight away too.

I don't. It's yeah.

It's like anything, you're better off doing it straight

away. We're all bad at it, but if you

get something done straight away, it's done.

Then you don't have to procrastinate on it there.

True. But yeah, so thanks for coming

on, Kieran. No problem at all.

And thanks for coming on. Can we?

Lose everything then. Because everything just go.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm right. You know where it Ross.

That was always random. No, because he confused me, I

said. His friends are coming on.

Kieran and Sam went. That's all right, I thought.

Yeah, he was. My God, I was like.

Kieran's up there. I was like, that's Sam.

Do it again. Start again.

I'll keep quiet. I'll keep quiet.

You go fast. Thanks for going on Kevin.

It was been good. Yeah, as you date, I've enjoyed

it again. And yeah, thank you 2 for having

a good chat. Yeah, no, thanks for coming on.

And and Sam, who is down there? Sam Tricky.

Thank you very much for having me, I've enjoyed it.

Thanks for coming on. It was, it's been good, very

good. So thanks everyone for watching

and if you haven't liked and subscribed etcetera, let's

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I would, but yeah, thanks everyone.

And I'll end the stream now and I'll be back next week, but

currently cannot remember who's on.

It's in the diary. There is a podcast next week he

will be back on Tuesday because he got a load of messages saying

he not going live tonight. I said it's on Thursday this

week. I I moved it to Thursday.

So right I'll end the stream everyone all right and see you

all soon. Thanks.

Cheers. Thanks later.

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