Pest perspectives EP 20 - PestForce Northampton - Marc & George vincent - Pest Perspectives

Hello and welcome to Pest Perspectives episode 20.

Thanks to everyone that watched last week with Mark Porter on

that was quite an insight into business and pest control in

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claim 6 out of 10 for them. And this week we have Mark and

George Vincent from Pets Force Northampton.

How you doing Mark? Very well, Shane yourself.

Good to hear I'm OK Cheers. And how's the birthday boy

doing? Yeah, not too bad, right?

Another day in paradise. I.

Bet your dad got you a big friend.

It's a big Range Rover sat outside.

Oh yes, yeah, excellent flights before that.

Happened. Now we're off the holiday at

Christmas. That'd.

Be nice that will. That'll be nice that will now,

Mark George tells me you've got loads of stories when you first

started in pest control many, many years ago.

It's forever which ones you want to tell.

Well, all depends which one are legal, really.

Well, yeah. It's just that things have

changed. Yeah.

Especially people's activities have changed over the years.

I mean, when I grow up, you'd never see anything with a hook

or a claw. So we're just decimated.

I mean all the capers, weeds and pole traps.

This, that and everything else. Yeah.

We've never said about the play, ever, ever, ever.

And I'll remember the laugh was a laugh doctor in the front.

My dad caught the terrace and had it stuff as well, which was

quite different. Things have just changed vastly,

I must admit. Changed, but from the chemicals

people used to use years ago. It's from the dice of strip men.

And oh. You.

You doing it then? Were you, were you doing?

Were you doing it then? And days are strict then.

Our memoirs, yeah, yeah. I mean we I can't remember what

this other stuff we used to use. Sounds frightened though I've

heard stories where people have briefed it in and the heart

stops for the dead the. Worst one you you can still use

it on raspberries believe it or not.

So obviously spread with the right honoured Raspberry but

it's certainly got such a short. Like say it's 5-6 hours but

everything touches that it drops down dead.

OK I used to touch it and it literally worked out around your

dead. It's not.

They reckon, they reckon it was like a they reckon there was

some kind of crystal you could sniff or get into them and

you'll restart their heart. Was that not true?

They used to use amyl nitrate was the antidote for SIMC.

Oh, OK. So I knew some little tube

without in a bottom right if it Blastsbury, yeah.

That I'm frightening to me, it does.

If that was pest control, now I don't know if I want to do it.

It's I don't want to potentially die that quick.

I don't. Yeah, but I mean, I can remember

one. Whether I should say this or

not, I don't like. But anyway, the vicar in the

village are a real problem in the Rookery.

The rooks. Anyway, cutting off the story

short, got some eggs, put this in them and anyway rub me up in

the morning. We must have picked up 60 crows

off the garden. What the Hobra career?

Just crazy. Gone.

Do you know what I mean? That's more legislation

nowadays, but there. Was no health and safety.

There's no warnings on it. I think we don't used to use

nicotine, which is one of the most deadliest poisons known to

man just. He's like nicotine or nicotine

odds. Nicotine.

Nicotine. What they smoked.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pure nicotine.

Yeah, it's one of the most deputy.

Oh man. OK, I didn't know.

That is it morticulture? Oh, OK.

What it is to kill red mites or whatever?

I'm not sure what it killed, but yeah, the trick.

Well, it worked. It worked.

It's all different back then there wasn't it?

It was like that's it's it's changed now, but used to someone

saying on someone Mike Wallach hot on YouTube saying used to

have the antidote for Simac in a necklace that you would crack

under your nose. Thanks for watching on YouTube.

It's module all said and done though I still fix on mags.

Quite a good product personally. I mean yeah it's a bit increased

but it works well. It does work well, but most

people cats in the dogs are just a nightmare.

They will be thanks. That's that's ask pest control

for Poppin and Jason and Kurt Graham over on LinkedIn.

I appreciate it. Sorry, carry on.

But if you. Look at the if you look at the

chemicals which are licenced in the UK, you look at somewhere

else like America or France or things like that, you know what

we have to do full PPA and RPA. It's laughable in them countries

it's goodbye and any store can't you turn your nose about it?

So it's horses, recorders. There's no, I mean, all

chemicals are dangerous to some extent, but.

America though, America because especially California is

stricter than here. It's just that the public can

buy a lot of it because they have to go through licencing and

they can, they can actually lose their jobs and get fines by they

actually have inspectors that can go round and expect all your

work. And if you're found to be doing

it wrong, you could end up with a fat fine or lose or lose your

job. But don't get me wrong, because

I've speak to a lot of the American podcasters.

They said that it don't often happen, but it can.

And California is the worst state to be in, yes.

I believe over there you can go into any supermarket and buy

chemicals in the supermarket. I mean, I paid off somebody, he

said. You can just go ahead and buy

what you want. That's what that's what they

that's what they say. No, Kurt, I'm actually in my

bedroom. I don't like I'm in a bedroom.

I've not got a very good background, so this looks a bit

better. This does.

But yeah, it's all different in different countries, but the UK

seems to look at California for for what to do a lot of the

time. I do.

You need to stop looking that way.

I do. But I really don't see what I

banned bar Cam. I really don't what parking.

I'm actually it's apparently from what I like.

I asked various people and it's something to do with because

it's a as you say, a bendy carve.

It's really bad for the environment.

That's basically it. But I agree, I don't best

product in the world. So annoying.

Now it's gone but the. Amount wouldn't be used per

nest. It's very minimal, isn't it

really when you work it out by a red set?

It's not like you're spraying that over a field, isn't it?

That's the whole point. I'd say Robert Moon did a thing

on it for years back because obviously he does it with the

paintballs or whatnot when another insecticide beat was

saying if you work out what's in a cartridge per nest, per wasp

in the watercourse etcetera, etcetera.

Is it is miniscule. But again, it was like Fen down

a couple of years back, never come back up the market and if

I'm not mistaken, it's on the market now and then change

label. It's back.

I haven't tried it yet, but I wasn't in pest control when it

when it was there. I've only been in pest control

since 2020. I have full time.

I used to watch this before that was that.

But yeah, so I'm probably, I've not been in that long.

But so Mark, we know you got into pest control.

Did you work for anybody or was it straight into making a Pest

Force franchise? I won't be a gamekeeper.

Gamekeeper OK. Yeah.

And then so, well, George, then George went into it.

He liked it, but it wasn't really for him.

So that's when we decided to buy this and do that.

OK, So what made you, what made you want to become like instead

of say, I don't know, Northampton Pestex or some

company like that? What made you go down the the

wanting to be a pest like a pest force franchise rather than

making your own company or or say brand?

It's been all honesty. I probably didn't know enough

about it to do it on my own. We got from them and so forth

and guidance. It made all the difference.

Obviously if I was doing the same thing now then obviously I

wouldn't do it because obviously we've got that knowledge now

which didn't have before. Yeah.

That's true. Was it something you like looked

online on how to get a franchise or did you advert disappear or

how did you how did you know about them?

Just to that work. Come up, this isn't the shooters

weekly or something. One of the sporting magazine

shooting magazines come up in that and I thought, well, give

my rigging suit what's what. OK.

Spoke to girl, got really well. Wouldn't really.

Really. Was that was that when pass pass

force is under the current ownership or was that before the

different? Ownership.

OK. So that's Sean.

Sean Taylor, Yeah. Yeah, I don't think we've been

doing it. We've sort of been doing it that

long handed before we've joined, I'm sure.

But to be quite honest, you get a lot.

Of help and I think, you know, especially me being younger, Dad

did a business for himself, but you know, never that industry as

well. It's just trying to sort of put

all the paces in the puzzle together.

And I think doing that is you're going to be sort of blind

sighted if you didn't have the help or join in a franchise or

something like that. Well, yeah, because, because

obviously it's like when my dad set ours up, he he did it as a

side job because he like used to at night to build up and

eventually built up the point where he could do it.

So yeah, he didn't. You don't know what you're doing

to start with, do you really? You just you wing it.

Start with it took him six months to get his first job.

He didn't wasn't no, no one knew him.

But I suppose we your brand best force of doing.

Do they do website advertising and put you out there?

Do they do that as well? Yeah, they do originally, and

then you have to obviously pay for it after that.

But I mean I do nothing about Google Ads or anything about

this so and I'm not computer savvy at all so I have no idea

of. That right set.

Phone trap and booting. Well, I know that killed things,

but that's about it. No, it's it's this Google

advert. It's not easy.

None of it is. It's like we have actually every

so often where we've not updated something in the Google profile.

So Google guarantee goes down. It's a nightmare.

It'd be one one thing, but they won't tell you what it is 2000

document you've infringed. It'd be something like your

insurance champ sent you your insurance form for brew or

something. But they love to be awkward

because they know they've got the power they have they're.

Taking a lot of paper reviews up, weren't I?

I'm working on getting more reviews.

I am I'm I've got a load recently because what's that is

the best opportunity to try and build your reviews up?

So I got 50 last year and I got after that I got disheartened.

They were all real and they like took loads them down off me and

I didn't know what to do to fight it.

So I didn't fight it. But I'm trying to get 100 this

year. But I noticed you lot.

I've got a lot on trustpilot according to the pass force

webs, the beat on there, but you've got 190.

You have well on the page, I think it links Google and trust

file it in into one. It does.

You asked for them with you. Is that something that when

you've done a job, does the automatic techs come out or are

these people just randomly doing it?

I mean. We sometimes are, Sometimes we

don't already hands out pissed we are.

But now it normally gets sent out on the op system at last,

last port of call. We ain't happy with service X

ones. Obviously we've got a lot.

We've got a lot of different areas.

We've got Northamptonshire Haunted and sharing them, other

websites within them areas. So I think over all of them

we've got, but just not specific ones that only shows certain

amounts. But as you say, what's what's is

the is the best time for reviews.

You know you're in and out. It's like this I'm trying to.

Get 100 by the end of the year. That's my goal.

I've 9545 now. I'll get to fit.

I'll try and try. The amount of jobs you said you

did earlier, you'd be getting 100 within a week.

Well, that's if they do it. A lot of people can't.

Even when they can't be, they can't be bothered, can they?

I think that's. What I love?

This to be honest, and you've got someone into a Google

account and all this. Most people are, though, most

people should be sick. If you've got an iPhone or an

Android phone, I usually look at their phone as well.

What they've got. It's like usually if you've got

a Android phone, you've got a Google account you have.

But I'll get there. I will, but I was thinking of

setting up a trustpilot page to try it.

I was just trying to get reviews on there as well I think.

I'll try it. Yeah, it's more.

Independent as well, because a lot of people just get paid for

it, right? I thought, yeah.

Misses, right? You think the amount of emails

should get my people offering to do reviews?

Oh. God.

Oh right, yeah, yeah, my dad replied saying no thank you, I'd

rather get real genuine reviews. Because.

Google don't mess about, if you pay someone to fake your views

and they find out you did it, they can take your whole

countdown account. It's not worth the risk.

Somebody trying to make a quick buck in it?

Well, it's deception. Well, of course it's deception.

Yeah, if you're watching dad, my dad's watching.

He's put his thumbs up on LinkedIn.

And also, thanks for coming back DP New Mexico and last week.

But yeah. So how so when you got into pest

control, George? Was it something you came out of

school, wanted to do? Were your dad doing it already?

No, I mean, obviously my dad grew up on the farm beforehand,

so I've always been around that sort of environment.

Went to Star shop, college prepare, went rear and pheasants

and Partridge didn't particularly like that and

obviously sort of put passports in and saw that and went from

there and didn't really look back to.

Put the birds in the blender you like.

What? It is.

It's lots of, you know, when you're doing sort of 6070

thousand peasants and it's more commercialised.

And don't get wrong, I like shooting and I'm not sort of

like on that side of things. But when you're doing it profit

and you're not caring about welfare of animals.

And I know it's hypocritical given that we kill things for a

job, don't get me wrong, but you still got to give things respect

where it's given and that corners for profit.

And it just it makes you see a different side, like factual

farming. You see different sides of

things. Yeah, you do.

It's like when you do your first kill.

It's like when I killed my first squirrel, didn't you?

Don't like it, do you? To start with, I was like, you

get used to it though, don't you?

You do. Yeah, I mean it's the sensitised

grew up in it. Since I was about 7 I had a gun

in me and been told to go and shoot me but I'm finding now as

a get older I don't want to kill things so much.

It's like I used to shoot hundreds of boxes to get.

Now I might want to do it so much I'll just.

Do you do? Do you do fox work?

Then you 2. Or somebody other day.

Yeah, clubs in a bloody cage which would cook.

Oh, I couldn't shoot them right to give them the galleon, but I

just can do it. Oh, OK, Just get into the ice

now. Or I don't, especially if I'm

close to. I don't mind if I've rounded

yards away, that's not so bad. But when I'm actually walking

out I just feel guilty now. You have to get a long range of

confidence around. I'll say you just get conscious

of it as you get older. Do you do?

Do you do a lot of? Do you get a lot of calls for to

do box control? Then do you?

I'll tell a lot for farmers. Farmers.

So I mean one farmer probably shoot over 60 a year on Oh.

OK. Yeah.

Can you? Do farmer.

Then can you talk farmer? Can you talk farmer?

They trust. You.

He's as tired as one, so I can assure it.

It runs with the bands. So does that just involve

trapping them in like a live a live trap?

Yeah. And then shooting them?

Yeah. OK.

I've never done it. I've never done foxes.

I haven't. That's why I asked.

About it where if it's a raiseable area, we'll shoot 1/7.

Yeah, obviously after notify the police, get a job number.

Not if I'm how many rounds you've shot, what time, all this

sort of stuff and all above board.

The blokes are brilliant about it, to be honest.

Yeah, OK. But yeah, it's a lot, lot more

laws. Imagine back in the day, you

didn't even do anything like that, did you?

Really? No.

No, no, I'm not at all. I mean, I can remember riding

down the High Street. Yeah, I'll be pushed back with a

gun on my shoulder. OK, you've got the firing squad

now. Wouldn't.

You there's a man no one response out I'll.

Tell you one thing, I'll tell you one thing you know?

Well, I heard a story once. Somebody had someone break into

his shed. He rang the police and I've

locked him. I've locked him in my shed.

You're going to come now. What if I What if I say I've got

a gun? Have you really got a gun?

He says yeah, I've got a gun. 5 minutes later they were there.

They actually cautioned him. He says he didn't have a gun.

He was joking. He cautioned them.

They said you've wasted police time, but you shouldn't come.

I had a robber in my shed. But yeah, it's amazing what

response you can get. Thank you for.

That. Old boy, Yeah.

Turn him on. Yeah, He's dead down.

The same principle, right? Well yeah, he shouldn't raise an

illegal gun he shot him with pronounced.

Problem but that made that Tony blade he shot with him years

back with Les and obviously I don't know if you heard about

it. He shot him in the back as he

turned away and it was illegal firearm but robbing his old

boys. So for mums and mums it's like

1890 else wrong. But obviously he got down

because he shot him as I turned away and it was a legal gun.

But it's but it's it's like what you're saying if mate, you're

bored bad and it'd get in trouble more than the people

going into without Robin, which is is wrong.

Well, we live in now, isn't it? It is.

It's getting worse, I hope to say.

Well, my. Opinion I'm getting old but.

It's getting a pit to work for my liking, I'm afraid.

So what's I think I know the answer.

What's your favourite work to do?

Who may personally I suppose to please?

Really. That's what I thought you were

saying, George. Is that what you're going to say

or not to? Be honest, I quite like that

loft clearances. Yeah.

It's hard graft and yeah, you bent up like a prep so, but it's

not as money. Yeah, we get a good job

satisfaction at the end of it, but before and after it's not

but. What do you want to do it in the

state? No, no, I've got like from

September, October onwards because it's just too hot.

But when they was in the roof at this time, you know you've got

boiler in the loft. Some of them are reading 35 plus

it's you've got your basic or mask on this and that ain't good

for it. I know it definitely isn't good

for you. So then, before we ask you how

you do be removed, well, I want to ask how you nearly died,

George, and what happened. Yeah, it was.

Did you have a bee suit on? Did you have a bee suit on?

Yeah, I'd basically I've been I've been stung in the same

spots and the same times weeks before.

So it's not like just went out on the scarf started taking the

tiles down. I'd me suit up now whether in

hindsight there was a snag in me suit.

I'm speaking to another Bay keeper and what it is if you

wear a veil, obviously you've got the Violet Club, which is

quite flimsy isn't it? You're leaning towards look

inside the soffit or whatever the veil pushes towards your

face. So what you do is you put a

baseball cap underneath the veil and it kicks the veil always

away from your face. So even if we push against

summer, it doesn't go against your face and we've not been

stung since. That is an amazing tip for

what's nest too because that Vale annoys me.

It's moving baseball cap. It's a bit operated, but yeah,

just put a baseball cap and it will keep the vial away from

your face. That is an amazing tip.

People everyone do that because it because sometimes when you

you're sweating and you got that and sometimes you know where the

the hole is, He's like, if you're pissing with sweat,

you're like he's in front of you.

It's quite annoying. But the baseball cap, yeah, I've

been trying that. Yeah, it.

Works very well, especially if you, I mean, I'll wear a wide

brim one, I'll prefer those, but George tends to wear the fence

and veils. But yeah, you put it underneath

and it makes all the difference, you know, all the difference.

You change the style of suit we use as well a lot.

More. I'll treat every job now like

it's me first. Obviously I'm petrified right up

in last time, but quite. Good sense, especially for the

money. It's it's one of the win

obviously mean that work in pairs and I think a lot of the

people have been line work as well, especially doing big

removal. So even what's nested in the

loft, you cut a corner, you're anywhere off.

So an accident can soon happen. And if you, especially if you

work on your own, who's going to raise the alarm if it does go

tips up? We've often thought they could

snap like a panic button if they're up in roofs on their

own. You ain't, you ain't wrong

because I've done this, obviously I'm with the MPTA.

I did this loan work, of course. Well, it wasn't difficult, but

it had stuff like that. So say you've got an employee

and then they have to touch base.

Like you know how big companies people think, oh, they're

micromanaging people by attracting them in their vans.

It's technically all to do with loan working, even though they

are probably spying on you to make sure you're doing it quick.

But it's all to do with loan working.

And he does suggest things like that, like if you've got a

client in the house, make sure they get the customer to make

sure you're OK. Every so often ask them to shout

up to make sure you're OK, and it suggests all kinds of cool

kinds of things like that. It does, but that's a good idea.

That is, you don't. Think of that until you guys

tips up you, you didn't think of it, he said.

He's back on 4-5 minutes, if that not.

Even that. Not even that it's yeah, it's

how many times I've got, I mean, I've got the same like 20 odd

times around the throat now. I took about four or five slates

off and I I still argue they're Africanized be people will argue

the tops that are in the UK. They're not.

I know that they're a different type of BI did about 1415 B

removals that year and they they were, they were aggressive.

You know, they were lying through plenty of the plenty of

other factors which would make them aggressive.

I can claim that, but but the time we went from the top of the

scaff to the bottom, I was on the floor, you know, rolling

around. Couldn't breathe.

Customers, did you? Did you blow up?

Did your skin blow up or your face blow up?

Yeah, it went like the puffer fish.

Oh no, literally. So I remember.

Hearing about it when you used like your tick tock account, you

told me you can't get back into that now.

That's what I heard about it. Yeah, I'm annoyed about that.

Still, yeah, it's lucky, I must admit it's close shot.

Oh. Lucky to be here to be fair, a

lot of people would a lot of people would Jack in be removal.

To be fair people fuck that, that's enough.

Oh shit, that's what I was being podcast a lot.

More like a lot more safe with. But again, I've been stung twice

this year. And on the end, that's only when

I took my glove off to look around the Coburn.

That's that's that's my own fault.

But changing the suit, checking your suit a lot more often,

treating every drop block. It's your first.

I mean, I look like mystery man. Now we've got duct tape

everywhere. Yeah, I mean.

Where's I know it sounds great. We even duct tape the the wrists

and the ankles because if they're going to get you get up

your leg and it's a real fast the first thing.

So it's just, you know, best way of doing it well.

You zip up at the front, duct tape that sometimes you can

split open, do your outcry again, make sure someone cheques

it. And we have more than one, like

two people on job now. So obviously if something does

event will happen or if someone's not feeling well,

we've got spare suits to have one RIP, you can try and cover.

All eventualities that potentially go tips up but all

set down. Getting back to the B thing, we

had some things we bought anyway.

Years and years and these were the same.

There was those ones which attacked him and they're a black

bee and they are were bastards. I mean, we had a lot of trouble

with people walking up the footpath, so we put them there

to put man they were. Walking up around the duck off

the. Foot off the footpath then, but

anyway kind of long sporeshot these places.

They spotted you, they would chase you hundreds of yards to

have here. They were all honestly but good

security well. Yeah, yeah, daily.

Yeah, good security. Getting poaching after that.

Yeah, Say, I have heard the people say about these

Africanized bees and they think they're here because there are

some, some people think they are here and some people think that

the the officials say that they're not here, but a lot of

people do bee removals think they are.

Yeah, but The thing is people, so many people are importing

Queens now from all over the world.

It might not be specifically 100% Africanized.

But they got that trade. They'll have trade and if that

breeds and swords elsewhere and that breeds with this and that.

It might be more than 2030%, but ironically they're the most

aggressive, yet they have the most.

Yeah, they do produce. Is.

This. I've got told that these

Africanized bees were just normal bees until I don't know

if it is true. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

Somebody took this bee into a laboratory to try and alter them

to make them produce more honey, be more productive and they,

they escaped for the lab and they're, and they're more

aggressive, but they do, they produce more.

Is that a load of rubbish? Someone said.

I've had that per SE, but I know that they're extremely

productive. Obviously they're aggressive,

but compared to a buck fast is like significantly different.

But I've suggested like, you know, getting into bees, you can

queen and all this stuff. If you did have 100% African, I

was 100% buck fast. If you could put the productive

traits into buck faster and then take the lesser aggressive

tendencies, you could genetically modify, you know,

the most productive as such. Yeah, which, yeah, you're

messing with nature. So whether you do that or not.

But it means that nature keep it busy anyway.

Yeah, yeah. Let's be honest, you're

manipulating nature at the end of the day.

Yeah. So it's probably not true then

what I heard. Obviously it's not so sound.

It did sound. A bit like a second it.

Did sound a bit like a thingy. Still conspiracy.

I wasn't sure if it was right it.

Probably was some conspiracy in some.

Way though, I believe that's your mummy and the Jack George

saying the most scariest phone call a mum ever received.

She's in the Facebook chat. I can imagine.

Yeah, I can imagine. Weren't particularly sad like

today. Do again.

Try not to do that. Yeah.

But but again, like, you know, commercially when you keep honey

bees, obviously, yeah, you can really clean them if they're

aggressive or whatnot. You know the tendencies when

you're cracking in the room on the country, you know they're

bees. You know whereabouts you might

know how long they are, the customers sincere and tells you

the truth. Apart from that, you don't know

anything else. It's it's one of them.

And until you start cracking into it.

It is so it's once we did within the M25.

Yeah, they say that M25 bees are angry and all that.

What is that? The pollutants in the air make

them like that. I thought it was like telecom

towers or something like that. I don't know, but I weren't

lucky. OK, someone in chat on Facebook

said Africanized bees are hybrids.

Hybrids between African honey bees and European bees.

I don't know. If that sounds about right.

No. Yes, had a major.

Problem yeah, but like I watched the documentary base but

American is saying about all the Knicks and that like America's

almond alma driver either either has custard flowers.

So they bring import like 101 and a half million fucking bee

hives just to pollinate this one crop.

It's such a small time frame. They literally just literally

got Arctic lorries up and down. They put like 400 hives on the

up and down the country, up and down America from one place to

another to flowers to pollinate that.

It's absolutely mad. But I believe I heard that fruit

farms, etcetera do that here they import.

Them. Apparently, and apparently they

buy them, they put them out and what they're supposed to do,

after they've done what they've done, pollinating, they're all

supposed to go in the box. You pop the box shut and you

meant to put it in the freezer. It kills them.

That's what they say. You put them in the freezer

because they've just been made just for that, that that certain

area. Someone correct me if I'm wrong,

but that's what I've been told a lot of them do.

They get bees on the farm and they're in like a little, little

box. You let them out, they

pollinate, etcetera, lives there.

And then once they've done their job, they put they put a pop in

it, put it and put it in the freezer.

It's supposed to anyway. I've never heard that it's a

waste of that. They just have local beekeepers

go stick. Maybe that's.

Not true. Or maybe he never heard that

wrong or it's different country. Usually he's never tried to

things like that. We used to get like in the

greenhouses. In the greenhouses, my dad would

get like 50 or 60 boxes sent through with like lady birds and

sort of spider, whatever. So that's the kill all the other

pests that that was, that's still done in horticulture quite

a bit, I think to be honest. I've heard of the if you get

parasitic Wasps, they can kill the the moths in houses where

they just lay all their eggs inside inside and then you can

parasitic Wasps, you can't even see them.

It's to kill. It's natural to kill moths and

they go and they go. They do because that's what's it

called. Mark Mosley I had on this

podcast, he was he's done it in London.

I think his carpet moth something something mock and

they like the egg and it kills it naturally will kill them off

soft. But you can't see these let.

Them off in the house, you're actually you can't see him.

Like I said. Again, natural pest control

using we are using this using that using a natural predator

for a natural price. When you look at the chemicals

we use and the amount we use is nothing not compared to what the

banging old fields put. It oh those up we use a little

bit. I use like over the fields.

They reckon that when that nicker name nicker toys were

used on the field. I don't want near necks are bad.

That's on the sea. Because it's on a sea dressing,

it's not a spray. So it's on a sea dress and it

gets in the stem of the plant, the flea beetle.

So how's that going to damage a bee?

Because it's not even flowering, they're not going to touch it.

Not only that, the stuff you put in your beehive to treat it,

it's got a new next toy in it. So I think that's a load of

bollocks basically. But now the only thing they can

do is blanket split with preference so it kills

everybody. You won't see a worm.

You won't see nothing. So that's the I thought it was a

spray over the field. No, it's a sea dressing.

So so it's it's a stomach in the plant because the play beetle

gets into the plant, the right looks great and all of a sudden

it goes hollow and it's hot. So the play beetle has killed

it, but it's not actually in the plant when it's flowering.

So that's. All said and done like that

documentary, so I was watching about bees in America, obviously

in the in the comb of honey honeybee colonies.

You can tell everything because that's where they pay everything

in the store everything. And they had like you could

trace so much like insecticide, pesticide, any chemical which is

dangerous to be. This is where you could test and

you could test it for years and years like like DNA with fumes

with hair or such. And it was so much more of near

mix within that. So it's to and fro.

But I mean, you know, near necotoids are bad.

Yeah, they're probably not the greatest thing, but do you think

it's equally good? Blankets brown with poison

roids. Press them in.

Place, I mean glyphosphate, they say it's not harmful, but now

it's things coming outside, it's carcinogenic.

So I would be glyphosphate for the last 40 years, but you spray

that and that kills anything. So now many people are spraying

that in the gardens every weekend.

Yeah. Weed killer, basically.

Oh. Weed killer.

Roundup sky phosphate, so there's spraying everywhere.

Oh, it's around the. Fence.

Oh, say yes. So why is that legal?

I see your point. Yeah, yeah, I.

Just don't slug pellets, hedgehogs.

Slug pellets and. Legs and powder cats, yeah, I

mean nothing. If something kills something,

it's not going to be good for something else.

It's. But again, it's controlled, it's

how it's used, it's reading the label, it's all these things,

but it's a good and bad. No, don't read.

That because I tell people, you know, that can kill cats and

dogs. Don't you read that label?

It can. I mean, it's cleaning out.

Yeah, but no, it's not just a little bit of Ant powder.

It's like somebody's gone, you know?

It's like someone it. Looks like someone's gone there

with like Viscam and just sprayed the outside of an house

all around the edges. That's what it looks like

sometimes. But why?

But like that powder obviously but but.

People could just buy it and just use it without any care of

the world. That's what I don't get.

But again, it should be regulated more and that's why I

think pest control such an undervalued service because

there you go, your customers obviously trying to charge XYZ

for rats and say, well mate, you bought a bar from Screwfix and

they think that's exactly the same.

And that's the. Yeah, but we had it with a

solicitor, believe it or not, it bought a load of stuff from

Screwfix. It was the grain bike.

Wondered why there's loads of dead birds.

I said did you read? Like what?

I don't have to. And it was right and he was.

He was a solicitor. Because when we gave him our

treatment, we saw can you make sure you read that?

And he got right snotty with us. What do they read that?

And then of course we said but but just unbelievable.

But how many times? His house and they misused with

them. Sorry though, I've got a wrapped

up out. The worst thing I find and it

upsets me every time when I have fucking fly strips up in his

back stuck to him. Oh.

Really. I've never seen that before.

Four or five times and I'll fucking excuse my friendship,

but I've really ripped in at the customer.

But really, it's a 5 LB final noise.

It's serious. Yeah, yeah, I know.

I didn't know how, but it's when I stuck to the fly papers.

Of course you do you. It's.

A fresh It's a fresh one as. Well, you know, I mean, you've

hung up all runs up next to it. But like that for blue boards

like that if me and you qualify and competent that to use blue

boards like you weren't a year ago anyway.

If we if we still mighty boy in the corner shop using them

illegally, even though it's an insect board, not blue board now

and for rodents, we're liable. We're we're liable for

prosecution because we're trained incompetent.

But that opens you up to such an awkward conversation with your

client and are they going to listen soon as you go out the

door and tell them they shouldn't have done that.

They're going to go like that. They're going to do it again.

So lovely came. Pick him up and track him in the

bin and take him. Track him in the bin.

They're a useful tool, especially in grain stores and

things like that. They are a brilliant.

Tool, but I don't think we should have lost them, but I've

never really used them, but I don't like to lose a tool that I

could use one day. I mean, I would basically it's

an effective, even though they've licenced there, it's

effective in my opinion. It's effectively a bam.

Basically they've done it. So it's that difficult?

It's a bad until you pay, which I think is a monopoly because

again, it's it's pay a few more quid out, yeah.

I mean I used to use them. But I understand no one's not

many people use them at all. Even a lot of the big companies

ain't bothering. That's what I hear.

It's not worth. It's not worth it.

It's not. The tunnels on the grain stores,

they're brilliant because obviously you can't use them.

Identicides in there perhaps aren't effective, and you've got

a lot of mice in there. That's the quickest and easiest

way to get rid of them. But we've won't even know that

now. It's just not worth the risk.

It's not worth risking your job and whatever.

And I don't know. I mean, I don't know, but

hopefully this, yeah, I don't know really what to say, to be

honest. I don't.

But the NPTA has written to the government and so it's the BPCA.

We've all loads of concerns. So we'll see if anything

happens, Hopefully something does.

But yeah, So what I wanted to ask you was me not doing bee

removal, How do you actually do bee removals?

How do you actually do them? We've got one Nesper ID internal

cut out on the grade one listed in Buckingham and then started

the other one in the chimney. Just sort of normal house and

what's going on. So obviously you're surveying

it. So I think even if you don't do

bees on the thermal in your van, it's priceless for other things

anyway. But don't wash this What was it?

We we have a. Thermal, now it's, it's probably

not on your level of thermal, but it's £100 or so we've got

thermal. You've probably got a real

amazing 1 you have. Just get the ones in your phone

now, they're going to be quite good.

In your phone when you get an app, what did you find?

Yeah. Oh, you get into your phone.

Yeah, it's not 2400 quick flower, I think.

Oh, I think that's the mate we've got.

Yeah, enough flower we've got Good.

Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.

It was quite cheap, but I didn't think it was that good.

But. Obviously it's in your hand, so

you got quite a bit of screen on it the way before it shows up

your heat temperatures. But once the roof, obviously now

with the bands and the Barcam, it's easier to go up in the

roof. Just scan around the outside if

you notice in the software and you can soon pick the most nest

up. It's quite easy to deal with

then. Yeah, good.

Point. I never thought of that angle.

You can actually pinpoint it. You can.

We've had squirrels, squirrel nests.

Yeah, anything with anything we hate but, but obviously with

honey bees. But.

If I say they've been there a couple of years and the base of

producing this, but the reality you've got to take that out all

the old Cove and whatnot. So you always just want to get

the most information of the client as possible.

But they're surveying it. And obviously, yeah, your method

of access equipment, whether that be a cherry pick, a

scaffolding task, whatever, whatever.

And obviously cracking it, we tend to do hover over amount.

OK. We'll just get the queen out

like that, Cater, put her into the cut the comb out and do

that. But no one.

'S on that. Yeah, do you?

I've watched some videos before. Do you use this?

This thing that makes them calm? It's like a load of steam.

Does that make them calm? Smoke yeah, it tells them as a

forest bar. So basically they're they're

gorge on honey come really docile like.

Do you use that? Then do you use that?

Sometimes you don't need to. Somebody will take out an air as

scarf as anything, obviously. Yeah, we do use it.

What they like, how they react, you normally know straight away

because the gun is if they're going to be nasty, they'll be

nasty. Garden Hive.

Sends you, it's nice for the bulbs and they're picking out

like we've seen Army, you know it's going to be a lot of the

removal if they're just there and it's yeah, nice to do.

There's been a bit too. When we walked out of brickwork.

We only use hand tools, don't use power tools.

OK. But it's just, yeah.

Does that take longer? Oh.

Takes longer, but it's less vibrational, less dust, less

obviously. Some of the stone can be a bit

blind also, and obviously I Mason don't want to be refacing

a lot of the stuff we're making from there.

So obviously you can just be a lot more on the front of the

corner. A lot.

Yeah. Isn't it a?

Bit more time consuming. But you can be a lot more

precise and ultimately when you're putting it all back as

well, it's less time in the end going.

That's that's fair enough. And obviously regardless if it

takes longer, you can still charge more than they can't.

Yeah, you can. It's normally three of us,

sometimes 4, but it's normally the snow Mason sort of

difference. It took us a long while of

buying one as good as that, to be honest.

That's. Good, that's great if you're

working. On those sort of buildings

because it will match all the all the rendering and

everything. So it just looks like it's just

been yeah, that's how it was before.

It's great. That's.

Really good that is. That is really good that you've

got like a little team together when you.

Break the stone. He's got the capability of

making a new one exactly the same, so it's.

Nice. That's.

Really nice. Do you ever what do you do with

the when you you take the piece away?

What do you do you come? Have you failed or something?

We've got, well we've got access to quite a few farms so we keep

most of ours little village in Bedfordshire, but it's a bit

more about, I mean there's a three acre lake next to it.

Guys planted loads of flowers around it, even to the point

where he's built a stone like plinth basically all the way

around the end for us to store lines on.

So the things are out the winds at the right.

It's just perfect for them. So we keep most of our holes

there and the other ones have gone up the woods at another

farm and probably next year somewhere else's that's.

The quarantine ones, obviously when you're doing removals, you

know, obviously you've got to be checking for disease, things

like that. So what, what, what?

How does that work then with beings?

Do you have to see? I think I don't know a lot like

you have to look for, to say you find disease.

What do you have? You have to, dare I say it, what

do you do with what do you do with disease fees?

It depends what it is, yeah. I mean obviously you've got

AFBAFB background, Fowlbrook AFB obviously being registered with

B Base. So where we are, Northampton,

Northamptonshire, Sydney, it's Cambridgeshire, a lot of the

hives got sad diseases, they're actually getting put down.

Beekeepers have been took off and and again, obviously we're

all doing them. You've got to be careful.

So the most common thing is barabolite, which every people

would have experienced, just like red mite and poultry.

You don't matter what you do, you're going to come across it.

You'd normally do it with a folic acid.

You get like the smoker guns now with the folic acid or you can

use strips. But it's we could learn so much

about babes. They're pretty much disease

free. If the Queen's not healthy,

they're really queen. They're fascinating creatures.

They're absolutely very, very interesting, and that's what I

like them. And I was just sitting there

watching them. Yeah, and what you think you

know a lot about bees, and you delve deeper into the rabbit war

and then deeper and deeper and deeper.

It's never ending. A bit like Alice in Wonderland.

You think you know a little bit. You get humbled quite quickly.

It is quite fascinating what bees do.

It's like Wasps, like everyone's Wasps, are underrated.

There's more wasp species than there is bees.

I mean, what's? Good pollinators.

They will pollinate. They will pollinate.

I read, I didn't read a book. I listened to a book.

The lady went on Beauties and Beasties podcast.

He's like a wasp expert and she doesn't do pest control.

But she said that when bees aren't about, Wasps will

pollinate. To another one.

Yeah, just more vindictive, more aggressive, obviously back end

of the summer. Yeah, acid for men in the

etcetera, etcetera. That's why I got bad publicity.

But I mean, like with us in particular, I've only really

treated probably 12 boss nests within sectors odds at the

moment. All the others are whacked in a

bin bag and relocated. I've got God knows how many at

the bottom in regard and the same of bumblebees.

Yeah, I'm not. Really.

You. Relocate what's that I can?

Show you? Yeah, Stick them up in the

woods. Like we're happy up there.

So I was the bug quite happy as well.

It's a bubble yeah get background try and keep it

intact put put them under a pallet keep them in the bag

still and I go like that but again yeah you're not using your

chemical cost. Once it gets a bit thicker rugby

ball size it's a bit sketchy to do then spray it with a bit

digi, but apart from that you reduce your chemical cost.

All you've got is your time there in a bin bag I'll.

Tell you who does that, Jason, Jason McPhee for mass pest

control. He he also removes him

completely as well. But going back to early where

you said you take everything up round round your bee suit.

He does that taking business too.

He takes he takes his trousers to his boots and everything

round just to make sure he does. He does that how many times

you've been done by ground? What's up, legs?

Yeah, Yeah. Well, I love that one as well.

What to do with that? Not sure.

You do your shoelaces as well, get your wellies on.

Well, the speaker thing is when you're driving in your van and

you've got 50,000 beats in the back, Yeah, that's quite quiet

experience. Yeah.

I imagine that you can hear me. Normally they're quite calm but.

We've got a proper leg. Well it be funny you get pulled

over by the police. I wouldn't check in the back if

I were you. What you're hiding?

I wouldn't check in there. Are you sure I?

Want to look at that now? When you're driving past both of

you and sitting in a bag with a bee suit, they do look a bit

strange to that. Yeah.

Yeah, they will. They.

Will But we're different. When I'm in the car and there's

been a few flying man we've never been stung by.

I'm too honest. They're not that forward.

That's fair then. Do you do mole control?

See it on your site? Do you actually do moles?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Do you? Do you like mole control?

It's nice because you're out in the countryside, I must admit,

and we normally do it early mornings as well when there's

nobody else about as we do it from a certain age and see where

we do down the rivers and that's lovely, just walking down the

river in the morning, checking the traps and that is a real

pleasure to do. Last time I was at 2 Waters as

well, which was lovely to see. What'd?

You say sorry. Last time I was out checking the

traps down by the river, we see 2 waters playing in the river.

Oh. Nice.

Yeah, nice. Nice thing to see.

I don't know. We've got Beavers there.

Bloody thing. Yeah.

Do you reckon that like rotten water or sort some part of it's

got Beavers or getting them or something?

Yeah, I. Don't see Beavers or otters that

eat all the fish, just one of them.

Yeah, they were complaining about them.

Yeah, there are people who are obviously complaining,

dissolving like all the fish out there.

Were the mink put it out like. The Mink.

Do you do mink? No.

I've known for a few years they let animal rice broke into a

place near Azuma and they let out I don't know how many

hundreds of mink. So we're watching 60 + a year at

film with him. Yeah.

I mean, obviously we've got it, so we're not.

Some some people I've got them trained to go after rats.

Have you seen that one? I'd like to do Yeah, I saw in.

America, yes, I watched him since the kid because I had

ferrets since I was about 13. Have you not seen the beaches in

Beasties 1 then? The Mint man's been on duties

and Beasties look it up. He's been on.

He has that. Was a fun one.

You need to. You need to watch it because

I've never heard of him before that I hadn't.

The. Picture man Yeah, I've got his

bloody name now, but now he's but again he's using the natural

predator. But you've watched some of the

shows on YouTube. He's had some serious Karen

Casper lots, some serious big numbers and again he's not using

chemical. It's natural, pest control, eco

friendly and it's well. Look at the terriers, how many

did I kill when I get going? But.

That that's far more of AI mean I'd rather have Mink and a

terror in the arsenal. Oh God, yeah.

Both and again he works his dogs with him as.

Well, when she was 8-9 months old, she was available.

Yeah, well, it's instant as well.

That's what gets me. It is an instant.

Again, you're not meant to use the Terry's for that.

Now I. You're in the board products.

Let's be honest. Well.

The thing is what gets me as well.

If you Terry it kills a mouse you can be done for it, but if

it kills a rat you can't, I'm sure can't quite walk out.

That's the Terry and I had a difference.

If you ask Karen, like if you were to ask him, he'd say that

they know and they're trained. You train them so they know for

rats only. If you were to listen to him, he

would definitely know the insurance and outs.

But they can't make mistakes I'm sure.

But they wouldn't film that part would they?

Don't get edit with. That.

But no. Kills when it comes across,

that's it. And so.

Do you guys do monthly contracts that serve servicing places as

well? Yeah, yeah, quite a lot.

But obviously we're passports again, quite a lot of national

account work, some big companies and obviously over the years

we've picked up like contracts for ourselves.

So we've, we've like first week of the month we're we're busy

345 days and obviously any other work that comes in.

So yeah, we, we've got length of contracts, which is nice.

Just try and build it. Up how many?

How many you got? I've got roughly about 4044

grammes worth of contracts. Nice, nice.

So obviously to try and build it up over time, but we've got our

biggest contract. I think we've got BRC side.

Oh, you've got. BRC Yeah.

Well, well, well done. I'm getting that.

Yeah, that's cool. Do you enjoy doing that site?

Yeah, it's, yeah, it's nice, obviously.

Will. Catch Pesty had it before,

didn't didn't know we'll feel biologist as it was, but that's

that's right. They had to help you anyway.

We're a field biologist. They're there to help you if

you're because I've had a few field biologists on this

podcast. They said that we go there to do

pre audits to say to make sure the press control is doing their

job and it's that the information is there to use to

help them if they're not doing or suggesting different methods.

So when the audit actually happens it should go smoothly.

I'm only going off what I've been told by.

I think BRC or just a little little caller shop, you know, if

neighbour of them listen, she will support after the contract

and start. I'm thankful that, you know,

we've lost some contracts over the years because they've been

happy with us and we've been happy with them.

But nine times out of tennis, because I don't listen and

obviously they say you ain't done a good enough job or

whatnot, you can't work like that.

So you just, yeah, draw a line in the sand.

So normally restaurants, yeah, which I'm trying to stay clear

from as much as I can fast. Food and things like that.

And I'm not interested. And worse.

But but you learned that through the years.

You do because obviously like sometimes it's like something

needs proofing and in the end you end up doing just doing it

and not charging. I'll just fill the hole myself

and just sometimes but don't realise the impact of a little

hole cause bigger problems. They can.

It's like when you have a customer that's not interested

in a flying machine because technically a kitchen doesn't

have to have a flying machine. I know it's mental, but they

don't, right? But until they've got flies,

then they each go goes, where's your flying machine?

I've got one. Then there's a problem, isn't

there? That's what I tell them.

I says it's not a problem, it's always a problem.

We have to fly machines. It doesn't work, but they try.

I can't. I'm not the best salesman that's

selling fire machines. I'm not.

Prevention is better than cure. I think more so in our industry,

like again, bees and rodents, how many jobs could be prevented

if you sorted out that which is chewed through or the bees

wouldn't get through the chimney if it was repointed or this or

that. A lot of the work within our

industry could be prevented. Thankfully it's not a lot of us

would be out of work but to understand a lot of it is little

snags on houses which causes. Yeah, but even even new houses

have still got the same amount of problems with them.

Not changed more. Yeah, more so you're right.

Nobody's got worse. Not bad.

Well, especially for things you said it was mad, but a lot of

the chimneys on houses of folks, they want houses, Yeah.

I. Found.

This out recently. I thought that was it's all

settled at the top. So basically a lovely little

cube which nothing should theoretically get into.

But unfortunately when I left them up, I left them up by 4.

Coach coach Bolts were inside on a crown, so the left hand clicks

on to take the coach bolts out and then of course you've got 4

little six small holes for the side of the chimney perfect for

AB they're. Making B homes, Yeah.

Basically, I'm making work for you, yeah.

I do that in Bristol though don't they?

I've got to do so many air vents now with B vents and like tiles

for birds and stuff. It's they're not being funny

when you're building on greenback land and that you've

got to give something back. Well, yeah, the squirrels,

because you're encroaching on their ground.

Again, solos if when they're doing the panels, if they've

done the proofing, there's so many, so many things like that.

That's why I take our height of it.

So proofing, yeah. I don't like.

I don't like pints. I don't like pints accident.

I'm all right. Once I've been out there for a

little while, I'll get used to it.

I'm OK scaffolding, but it's cherry pickers.

When you're up moving high and they start swaying about.

Now I get a bit nervy. Yeah, I don't blame you.

Hanging onto the edge with white knuckles?

No, not mad pints. Yeah, not good.

No. Well.

Down doing jobs. But no, it's what is the

question. Do you do you 2 get on working

together? Do you have arguments every now

and then? Every time no.

Just like, just like me and something.

Yeah, yeah. It's this natural in it, really.

The least you can say is it is. You think so much about voice or

verse, you just say is it is. That's what it is, but we bounce

ideas off each other. That works what well, George is

my driving force between it. It comes up with all the ideas

is Larson Kane, which is good. You could wish for more already,

to be honest. That's.

That's fair. That's it's you've got a young

person in pest control. Which would we like to see?

Yeah, you know, well long career ahead of them.

You know, it's all about, I mean, I'll retire in a few

years. That's I've been well, I've got

to retire in a few years. You'll pop out.

Whatever you do, you'll probably still keep.

You'll get bored. That's the problem.

Very much so I'll. Still find things with the.

Yeah. In other words, yeah,

definitely. But actually I did with the

bays, build the bays up. I'm going to get enough hives.

So that back of a bass, little productive sideline, to be quite

honest, Yeah. One thing because you can honey,

honey, oh honey, you can sell base blacks, candles, all that

people want to make. It colonies you can sell, so if

you could split your hives, obviously split the Queens, you

get A6 frame. What's the six frame reason why

for? 250 with box that's why

everyone's running around collecting swarms because if

they save that so if they go get a swarm now they they feed that

now they'll build that up to April may time they'll sell that

for two 256 frame within a minute I.

Didn't know you could sell them to money anymore.

I'm more interested in not making your own Queens queen

that I find really interesting and really, really technical.

But again, it's as I said earlier, it's that you think you

know the understanding of Bayes and you delve deeper and deeper

and deeper. But it's like anything, you can

always find more to to know. Let's say we've done a bundle

basin. I think it's lovely little

creatures, just lovely little things.

And it's it's nice in the industry as well.

People are starting a lot more companies doing baby removals.

A lot more people are saying, you know, I'm not treating them

for whatever, whatever. Then I've had two inquiries this

week where other companies on the name who have treated them,

they try to block it up and blocking out like Stevie Wonder

trying to paint. It's just and even worth

thinking about. And they had meant to be a part

of BPCA or this or that. They're not doing what they

should do. So it's it's one of them.

But I think there needs to be regulated a hell of a lot more.

I mean like me and you were talking.

About a few. Weeks ago and what I've told you

Queen Stanley like article out literally 2 three times before

after sorry so. Was it the?

PCA or was it MPTA? I think it was MPTA.

Yeah, yeah, it. Was.

Yeah, but what annoys me is why are they killing the police?

They're using powders to euthanize them, which is the

most stupidest thing because one, it doesn't really work and

so they'll transmit it to other hives.

So if we do have to ever utilise them, we should always use a

spray because it can't be transmitted to another hive.

OK, yeah, the way they do it is just don't.

Buy it then. Oh, I went to the lady.

I didn't charge her, but I just said to her, I've got Wasps.

So now you've got any bees. Can you help me?

I said no, I can't help you. I said how long they've been

there? About what?

About two days. I said, well, you have to see if

they move on. If not, you have to get someone

to remove them. But a lot of people don't.

The problem is a lot of people think, I mean, I blame Disney, I

do Winnie the Pooh because everyone thinks that the bees

are bright yellow and, and that's, and that's what they

think. So they look at a wasp or a bee,

you get confused, don't they? I've got what I've got Wasps,

but naturally I've got bees. That's what they've got.

But. Yeah, the whole tow tow sign is

the little legs hanging down. Yeah, always hang down was a

wash. Doesn't.

But I think most of the time people they just see it flying

issue. They don't really see it as a

whatever inside you see all flying issue, pest control and

cowardice out less. They now help me get rid of it

and it's but again, I think there's so many of the the, the

window cleaner slash pest controllers and cash job

tracksuit boys obviously doing the bad and that reflects more

on everyone. Else try to do with a pressure

washer. Yeah, he done also Ant powder 09

yards pressure washer this that it's obviously didn't really

become and. They were back.

To come back, but it's again, yeah, it was.

Water. It was just water.

They love water. Can't.

Get other people what they don't already come.

Yeah, it's a chimney sweep. I mean, fair enough if they've

just arrived if you'd like a part and the smoke so generally

will come. In your house.

Yeah, I was told that by because obviously I went to a, you know,

I went to a meeting where past tech's going to be and had

Martin. I was driving and Martin next to

me and he was giving me a master class without realising either

way. He was speaking to customers on

the phone was amazing and most of them were Beatles.

And he said how long has it been?

And he mentioned the thing about you can you can have a bin and

the smoke and they might go. He mentioned that he did.

He says if they don't go in a certain period, that they'll

just stay. Yeah.

Once she's built claiming late, they ain't going.

I got an invested interest. But I mean.

He was honestly the knowledge he had was amazing like you 2 had

your great knowledge on peace you have.

I mean you can also use nuts as well.

He can put a pheromone in the back if they just.

They try to trap them out. It's.

Loads of different ways doing it, but if I've.

Been there any more than three, 4-5 days of that stays what I

normally say and a lot of people will trap them out.

So in my eyes, you're removing the B numbers and you've still

got whatever comb is there and you block that hole up and

you're hopeful that they come back.

But the reality is the attractant is still there.

So my eyes you rather than what do the whole hog and just remove

however much Combs there but again yeah misinformation.

How many beekeepers in particular my job on Saturday my

client got advised last year. Oh yeah, they'll just go.

They'll just go. Obviously, unbeknownst to them,

they don't. They don't.

So it's. I think what it is is beekeepers

generally only want a swarm that's sitting on your head and

then they can't be arsed and they just say, yeah, we'll go.

Yeah, we're not funny. Half of them at 60.

Got it. Replacement can't really be

popular. I don't blame.

Them the most. Awkward, unhelpful people.

But when we started we had a boy local to us, we'd bring him up.

So yeah, we've got a job here. Do you want it or?

And he said, Oh no, if it's in the gym, I'll just kill him,

just kill him. And I'm thinking he'd just be.

So hang on mate, you're a beekeeper.

I've heard people say that recently beekeeper just devised

to kill him. How hypocritical.

Yes, it is wrong, but I don't think that it would be made

illegal to kill honey bees. End the story, period.

It's got a problem, proper mess. They won't.

They won't do it because obviously the the hunting

industry is massive. So I was circled to George about

it and he said the way around it.

But they won't like ban completely because if you make

them like protected, you'd have to do it a different way because

you'd have to ban the sale of honey.

But then George came up with a different idea on like a way to

do it. Like if you you've got to take

so many steps, etcetera. Well, they're not.

I hate to use this term but not everyone can afford the bee

removal like it's it's it will help people that if you like say

someone can't afford the bee removal, it's their places that

will help will offer to do it or it's something it could be a

couple of grand can't it sometimes.

Yeah. When you, I mean I'm going to

include listed buildings because look, if you've got the money to

afford one of them, you can not afford a Range Rover.

They remove it every day. But you know, I prefer to clear

if you're in a council house and you've got anaphylactic to

insects and whatnot. Normal rule of thumb is on a

British Gas backed by XAA insurance company like honours 2

grand. I did a job for Car brothers

mortgage last month. NFU paid that out for them.

I didn't know. This I think Sheila Wells as

well does vet but again, yeah, you want to check it check that

first. Don't take your word for it.

So but as it's saying and the cost of living crisis right, not

many people could have thought go month in month outlet alone a

bee removal. So in them instances where they

can't be removed or as as I said, she there needs to be

certain things put in place to to help them people and you've

got to live with them and that's it.

That's your only option. You've got to work right around.

It's endangering somebody's health, and that's different.

Yeah, but if they're in the top of a chimney where they're not,

then they should be left alone. If they're in an air vent

outside an entrance from school or something, then that's a

difficult game together. Oh yeah, yes.

Pest control is public safety. That's all it is anyway.

Safety and standards. Yeah, yes, yes.

But what do you 2 think the future of the industry is going

to be like in years to come? Got.

To say very difficult. I mean like going back a little

bit, like obviously bask and what I did for years back with a

general licence so you could go around, shoot pigeons, do what

you want. Actually, obviously now you've

got to get a bit of ticket signed and this GL licence and

that and that. I think the industries that

probably get in trouble for saying this, but I think the the

organisations that you pay to be a membership of necessary don't

have your. Back network yeah yeah, each

other's pockets, but when you know as well as.

Like the glue boards and that I feel that they sold us down the

river a little bit. Hold on, hold on.

I will correct you because I'm obviously on the board.

MPTA. So all the information was given

to the government and the government decided to ignore it

all. So they did actually try the

hardest, but the government just ignored it.

Unfortunately, they just wanted to do what they wanted to do and

they were presented with all, with all the information about

what would happen in certain situations and they just decided

to, they didn't decide to ignore it.

There's not. But the problem is trade bodies

ain't the government. They're not law enforcement.

They can't do anything to them. They can only say here's the

data. But they've been back to them

recently saying both of them have with misuse cases.

I don't think much is happening even after improving.

Same, same. Basically shops are now selling

them as insect boards, but they're just, they are just rat

boards. Just change the name.

But there wasn't, yeah. But they, they, they did, they

did, they did try. They did what?

The glue boss, I won't say that because it wasn't publicised

enough about that bit. It wasn't.

But I mean, like, again, fire Cam, it's not necessarily BPCR

or whatnot's fault, but again, trying to push a better return

as if on the market I think could be done a little bit

better, like getting an apprenticeship scheme in, you

know, all these things that I think these trade bodies should

be pushing a hell of a lot more for the industry.

And I know something's happening about it and trying to do things

about already, but the. MPTA have got it.

They did 5 where you've got to be a member of the MPTA and they

didn't 5 and that went that well.

But soon they're doing another one, so another five people will

get trained up where the MPTA pay half and then Sygenta pay

half. So that's number five people get

the RSPH Level 2 award in pest management.

If you wanted to take on an apprentice and engineering site,

you get a job paid by the government.

So why can't we do the same? Take on an apprentice, teach

them and they get paid by the government.

It's a no brainer. Well, yeah, we ain't got to that

stage yet, but it's a good idea. Between my job and an

engineering job, no. What's the difference?

They both, you know they. Both got risks.

And what's what's the difference?

There was talking about this on an American podcast and the guy

put it like this. Unfortunately, he said.

Because gas, electricians, etcetera, when you're doing a

house, you have to have building regs and you have to have

somebody to sign it off. Yeah.

You don't have to sign off anything for pest control, do

you? Not really.

Unfortunately, and that that's what you said, they could demand

the price, but it might get to that.

It might. It may get to that stage one

day. But to bring the young people

into the industry, I think that that'd be ideal, I really do.

I will, I will suggest this idea.

I will. I'll do anything to help promote

the industry young people, but the biggest there's a big hurdle

like run insurance for under 30s.

I imagine you're down a second driver.

Thank you George. I'll have them first.

I. I even got me bloody.

I won't even insure. Bloody driving now, I ain't even

done. That oh, you're not.

You can't drive. Even like what you're saying,

some of the people you see on the forums on Facebook and that

some of the stock obviously pass a bit bit of a different thing,

but some of the quotes that they're getting on insurance,

some people don't even want to insure you.

I know when we got the old page, our partner will be changed that

what some of the quotes we was getting because we got this

amount of you can't have more than this kilo and this and

that, it's ridiculous. But some of the quotes you're

getting because you've got some half dangerous chemicals as such

driving around motorway, it's ridiculous.

Yeah, it is carry what we want. But again, you know someone

starting up such self-employed one man ban.

There's all these hurdles you've got to jump to try and even,

draw even and make profit. Let's be honest, it costs a lot

of money to get going all the time.

We bought your equipment and everything else.

You went to a fair amount of wage.

You'd have to stop by and do. Well, there's always something

you need or something you want. There is, there is, but I will,

I will, I will put this this forward.

I'll I'll mention it a little about apprenticeships.

Is there anything we can do? Let's be honest, even a

traineeship over two years or whatever, you know, great.

They're getting out to do a job, they're helping you and you're

helping them. What could be better?

As you say, there's no difference between the other

sector and if government as you say, does a spark, he does a

plumber does this, does that you can't discriminate against those

pasties. It's.

Once you get Chinese ship at McDonald's, I don't see why they

discriminate against it. I already done, you know, I'll

get the premiership tomorrow. I'll get tomorrow.

Yeah. Well, that's shadow over that

without the shovel and you can mould them.

You want them, which is. Exactly.

So are you, are you in as press force?

Are you in any kind of trade body?

Yeah, PCI. OK so do you have CCPD like

everyone else? Yeah, yeah, I've got to get 20.

Yeah, 24. G Keep locking my podcast.

You'd be fine. That's allowed.

That's awesome. We're normally just going to cut

the courses again. You've got to do your.

Three cruise points now aren't. You few years before but like

again with Level 3 changing and all that and I think a lot of

other people pack in after that if I'm honest.

You can't be bored. For a lot of that that feature

frameworks to attract like graduates and younger people

into the industry. So there's a framework.

It won't. It won't stop anyone who's

currently doing level 2 being being a pest controller.

It won't. So you have to.

Open tech expire redempticide then or that still covers you

with your own level 2? No, as long as you stay, you

don't have to be level 2, you don't have to be RSPH level 2

awarding pass management to buy redempticides.

You only have to have a basic rodent, a basic rodent course

every five years or stay a member of the CPD body and get

you get your points and crew points and you got every year

because they're going to ask. And next year when you buy Bay,

which obviously you know you're a year in front, don't you?

Your points six years point is for next year and they're going

to ask you for a certificate and that will be your certificate to

buy with denticide next year. That's part of the CPD body with

your the crew points are the ones that matter.

They are for buying it and it's either either stay with the CPD

body and that keeps you you won't have to re qualify or if

you don't want to do this the CPD.

I think you, yeah, I said you have to redo your identity

course every five years. You do.

You don't even need like RSPH level 2 in past management

awards. I'm probably saying it wrong.

You don't need just the basic, you need to buy it.

Wonder is pretty lads don't even bother you isn't bite them all.

A lot of people don't. Non-toxic fast effect.

They're about, yeah, hierarchy and all.

Whatnot. What So I still thought by Tony

Parker very much just as well, yeah.

If you can't trap, there's something seriously wrong and

not again what was saying earlier about, you know, not

using loads of spray for wastiness and that if you can

reduce your your costs and a trap is 4/5/10 time use

predenticide, 2 time use. If you're lucky you might use it

for fire baiting for the third time.

Apart from that, it's no use. It's obviously trapped.

Why? You're not using mixture at all,

isn't it? You are crew.

You're supposed to do that anyway.

You are supposed to like, see what your options are and try

trapping and the process you are.

But yeah. And you think of this manager,

probably this cavity getting out when I'm met with Tom's.

Yeah, I'd never plenty of a story work when he's out and

he's also anyway, floorboards and a rat.

Chewed through this cable and kept the cable guy.

He passed me these big old BBQ skiers.

He's a gumbo. Would go down there and pick him

up as I was electrical. Yeah, electric.

So as I was getting closer I could hear arc and go tick,

tick, tick, tick. Like his electric fence.

Obviously it won't often. I've got a bit of a belt but.

Yeah. I've got to tell you the story

anyway. Can you remember those prime

relations years ago? No idea.

Did a lot of rabbit control. Anyway, you used to get these

and there was 2 cylinders. I think it's oxygen and

somewhere else. No, I want to say it's oxygen or

something. It's explosive.

So what he did, he got like a hedge with loads of rabbit

buggers down there. You poke this tube, filled it

with gas, then step back and Clark and of course it blow the

altar. But anyway, of course my mic was

at a farmer. I'll put a bit more when boys.

So anyway, we entered after the fucking cat history.

Legit mate. The whole hedge must have

fucking lifted up 4 foot off the ground and we're talking about

50 metres a hedge. Stop clicking the ground.

I've never seen nothing like it. I would like Syria in the

village. I want to say nothing like it.

But anyway, that was quite amusing.

Yeah. Yeah, pretty fantalise.

Yeah, not that I use a board. I think.

No, no, it's a but basically, I don't know.

I just think the wildlife now is some of it's getting out of

control. I know it's a bit of a motive

subject, but I think badges should be put on a general

licence because they're a pain in the ass.

There's too many of them. Pisses me off but all.

The training courses you go on as short as your red card, but

identity side kills all the banner kills all this.

Of course with that, with the greatest of respects I don't

know about, but in the Midlands there is no shortage of cards.

There's no shortage of buzzards. I don't think there's there's

plenty around there as well. That's again pest control is

where managed wildlife humans have made the biggest cock up.

We're trying to control it how we think you cannot let one

species rise without controlling the others.

Don't matter what any aspects alive but obviously protected.

This is protected. That's protected.

You look at the things which are suffering consequently from

that, but you just let it rise and get worse and get worse.

You won't do anything about it. I mean, budget will take.

Every bloody nesting bird, every wasp nest, every nest they can

find, they'll destroy. Hedgehogs.

Fan of hedgehogs you find which are being skinned and paled.

They'll just kill everyone. You will not believe how

destructive the bastards are. Yeah, and you run them over and

they still don't die. They fuck you, they fuck your

car. Do a runner.

Yeah, but now it's, yeah, I don't see many badger sets, but

I've I've had it before where I heard that someone I knew was

near a badger set and you didn't believe there was a badger in

there and the got a stick and point pointed it put it down the

aisle. So it started pulling it and it

started running. Sorry we didn't come out.

Here is the guy we used to take him.

Not allegedly. That's before all the laws

changed. The grand.

I used to dig them, pick them up with tongs, put them in a bag

and then move them somewhere else.

Move them to a place where there was no badges.

There's so many places around us which is sandy fields and 3040

acres you can't use because you go across at the combine sinks.

Actually combine disappeared. Like literally crane to get it

out, the damage they're causing on the roads, it's just

unbelievable. Roads are collapsing and.

I didn't know that was due to them.

I didn't know. That thank God for rights and

us. Yeah, unless, unless they're on

British well ground, yeah. But it's, I mean, if a badger

comes in your house, now you've got to make a cup of tea, get it

in the bed, tuck it in the bed. You've got to sleep on the sofa.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

It's got more options than you. It's, it's just silly.

I mean, again, they're lovely creatures.

But yeah, I wouldn't want everyone killed, don't get me

wrong, but it's about control, you know, I'd like to see lots

more dogs. I don't like to see lots more

Badgers. It's again like we need to

control apex predators and again in the UK there isn't that many

apex predators for these certain things like foxes.

What kills a fox? Nothing.

It's all these things. So that's why humans have got

sort of. Getting ideas like the days are

getting our hand and they like governments even offering

courses for people to learn. They're stalking because of it,

but the puppet needs teaching about what's going on.

Well, if I hit the mate it wouldn't be a problem, but the

mate is such as the Boo weeping game like pheasant or this like

I like again, it's bollocks, all the old pipes and villages and

LED. But yeah, if you shoot a fucking

pheasant with LED bull bear, oh, you're going to kill all right,

but. You got happy birthday.

Yeah. Happy birthday, George.

No, they are getting out of control but they've got to be

controlled properly, not like what they're doing got them when

they're shooting them from helicopters and shooting them at

night and basically fencing areas and so they run across the

roads and get run over. It's just disgraceful, really

disgraceful. I will say now Brew Dogs are the

worst cunts from Waking it up on as well and you sort of paper

that was. Just don't buy anything from

Brodock because I support it and it shouldn't be done.

Brodock. Oh, the bear company, Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, they, they got, they brought a more in Scotland and I

got a government grant, hundreds of millions and they planted all

these trees and basically all over died.

And obviously it was a shooting estate and whatnot, but it's so

hypocritical. You buy it for regeneration, you

sell it on your advertisement and on your canvas.

Each drink that you buy we planted to train all this shirt.

You're just liars, absolute liars.

But again, the shooting industry, they care about it.

And every shooting estate you go to looks better before they once

they left and before they were there.

But again, it's they're they're just slaughtering a day and just

leave them not even picking them up.

We're shit's disgraceful. My opinion.

They don't deserve that disrespect.

That's my opinion. Every animal deserves.

What's the word dignity, really? Yeah.

Respect. Yeah, we shouldn't treat them

like that. You shouldn't.

Not legally anyway. That's a quick letter I'm saying

with mate I'm. Afraid so.

It's been a good, good hour and a half.

I'll speak to you. Who would you like to see on

this podcast? Any ideas?

If anyone you'd like to see, don't say Nathan Clark because

he's booked to come on soon. Make man, make man OK.

Matt Lodi would be a bad one. I'm trying with him.

I'm trying. Even Natalie is quite nice,

yeah. Natalie, Natalie, be a good one.

The more space work, the more yeah, she's quite sharp and very

much on the board and very, very approachable.

She wasn't the BPTA, she was like.

Well, she was. She was, no, she was very much

the well, literally you thought she was the BPCA because she was

on everything like like the talks everything.

So it's a bit strange for not to be there now because you used to

see anyone, all the BPCA posts, etcetera.

You are. And now she's with press force.

If we don't know the crack, ring her up, ask for a bit of advice

and this and that second one. And again, a single man band,

you might have that for ringing your reps and whatnot, but you

didn't get that sort of the same.

And again, it's helpful, but I think that would be a great

person, yeah. I might see if I can get her on

at some point. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Everybody's got different ideas, and if you can pick up one good

idea or somebody can't wish for more.

Exactly this is this is a lot of podcaster do people get ideas

off them and they learn stuff sometimes only if it's one bit.

I'm happy. It's almost like one more thing.

I'll say it. What it's all about We've all

got to help each other at the end of the day, we're.

All in the same industry. No, this is the first time I've

had someone that's find of local to me on the podcast.

Yeah, you went too far. He's in room.

We said that one in Stamford, he's such.

A welcome Brooklyn. Yeah, nice part of the world.

Yeah, there's some nice houses out that way.

I drive through the Stamford and that signed Georgia Stamford.

Yeah. And there's some nice houses

that way. When you buy one on the can High

Street then. Yeah, but.

Yeah. But yeah, thanks for coming on

and being well, It's been good. Thank you very.

Much, Yeah. Thanks for coming on.

Do you want to tell people where I can find you if they want you

to find you? Yeah, so we're on Passports

Northampton, Google US, Facebook.

They're a bit on TikTok, but yeah, we're quite active on

Facebook. You can see some of the work we

do. Yeah, if you ever want any

advice, just give us a call. I will.

But. Yeah, but thanks.

Thanks Mark and George. Join the stream everyone.

See you all next week. No worries.

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